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    <p>The scripted IVR option with some variations has worked for me in
      the past.</p>
    <p>- Used a 'secret' IVR option, like the IVR says Press 1,2 or 3
      but the secret option is 7 or 8. This presents a prompt "are you
      sure you wish to be transferred to the duty engineer?" and does so
      only after a second, subsequent confirmation.</p>
    <p>- Threatening a charge is interesting, but I would hope
      unnecessary...</p>
    <p>- Use a dedicated phone number for those customers who pay extra
      for 24/7 support.</p>
    <p>I've also overseen a contracted relationship with a third-party
      callcentre who were nothing more than a skilled tag-and-bag centre
      - they worked for multiple brands, would answer 'as' you, collect
      information and follow a flow chart to determine whether to
      escalate immediately, or log-a-job for the next business day. 
      That also worked very well.</p>
    <p>I'm a Kiwi, so unless you want a Wellington based option, I doubt
      a reference would be useful. But I support the concept - humans
      can deal with exceptions (once suitably trained!) and having a
      third-party option also gives you alternative BC/DR options when
      your PBX is taken down by the very outage your customers are
      calling you about...</p>
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    <p>Mark.<br>
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    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 17/09/18 20:10, Nick Pratley wrote:<br>
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        <div dir="auto">This. Humans are always better confirming
          escalation requirements. </div>
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      <div dir="auto">I worked on-call for $work before we had 24/7
        staff in ops.</div>
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      <div dir="auto">The best of both worlds solution for this problem
        for us was a scripted IVR. </div>
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      <div dir="auto">“Thanks for calling $work. You’ve called outside
        of business hours. Hold the line to leave a message and an
        engineer will attend to this first thing in the morning. If your
        issue is critical, press 9 to be transferred to an on-call
        engineer. “</div>
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      <div dir="auto">*press 9*</div>
      <div dir="auto"><br>
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      <div dir="auto">“if you’re issue is found to be of a non-critical
        nature or outside of your contractual terms an escalation fee of
        $99 will be charged at the discretion of the engineer. Press 9
        to accept these charges and be transferred through or hold the
        line to leave a message “</div>
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      <div dir="auto">I think about 5 calls in a 2 year period ever got
        charged back to the customer as outside escalation criteria,
        everyone else logged a ticket for the morning or had an issue
        that warranted on-call escalation. </div>
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      <div dir="auto">“Is my issue that critical that I want to pay 100
        dollars to have it looked at right away?”  That’s a very
        powerful motivator. If yes, then we were happy to look at the
        issue, charge the customer and on-call engineer bill the company
        for the call out. </div>
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      <div dir="auto">Everyone won. It gave the customer the chance to
        consider their issue again and if it was actually critical for
        their operation. </div>
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      <div dir="auto">Just some food for thought. It also beat the
        scammers (never had a single one escalated through the IVR -
        it’s not like we could have charged them either, but a risk we
        were willing to take.)</div>
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          <div dir="ltr">On Mon, 17 Sep 2018 at 5:29 pm, Matthew
            Moyle-Croft <<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au"
              moz-do-not-send="true">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>> wrote:<br>
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              style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi,
              <div>I’ve got to agree with this. A properly
                scripted/documented list will reduce engineer call outs
                (improving staff morale) and, more importantly, mean
                that if they get woken up they know it’s worth doing
                something about. </div>
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              <div>MMC<br>
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                    <div>On 17 Sep 2018, at 4:55 pm, Kisakye Alex <<a
                        href="mailto:kisakye@gmail.com" target="_blank"
                        moz-do-not-send="true">kisakye@gmail.com</a>>
                      wrote:</div>
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                      <div dir="ltr">I think what a human provides is
                        the ability to sort through tickets for what can
                        wait until morning and what needs the engineer
                        to wake up. If you are forwarding the calls
                        directly to an engineer on call, then half the
                        time s/he is making decisions on whether to get
                        up or not.<br>
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                        <div>Alex</div>
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                        <div dir="ltr">On Mon, Sep 17, 2018 at 12:09 AM
                          Chad Kelly <<a
                            href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>>
                          wrote:<br>
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                          solid;padding-left:1ex">With most modern PBX
                          systems they will tell you if it's a PBX call
                          and <br>
                          give you the option to either answer the call
                          or hang up.<br>
                          <br>
                          Or you can send the call to an answering
                          machine which means you can get <br>
                          to the issue the next morning.<br>
                          <br>
                          If you are running services that are mission
                          critical that you need the <br>
                          phone answered 24/7 then you really need
                          someone in the office who is <br>
                          awake and functioning but given what has been
                          discussed a decent PBX <br>
                          would be fine as even if you wanted to
                          redirect calls to a call centre <br>
                          ware a human answers that is also an option,
                          though less needed.<br>
                          <br>
                          As a voicemail system would be a lot cheaper
                          and tickets work better for <br>
                          more complex issues anyway.<br>
                          <br>
                          Regards Chad.<br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          <br>
                          On 9/17/2018 4:50 PM, Andrew Jones wrote:<br>
                          > I can see the benefit of having someone
                          else take the call. I can remember my days as
                          an on call engineer years ago where I would
                          get a phone call from  the NOC in the middle
                          of the night, I would need to keep a pen and
                          paper by the bed to write down basic details,
                          as in my just woken state, I would forget
                          whatever I was told 2 seconds later.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > You don’t want end customers talking to
                          someone who just woke up seconds ago, as they
                          won't be in a state to properly take down
                          details and provide a mechanism to follow up
                          (ticket numbers etc)<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Cheers,<br>
                          > Andrew Jones<br>
                          > 0435 658 228<br>
                          ><br>
                          > -----Original Message-----<br>
                          > From: AusNOG <<a
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                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>>
                          On Behalf Of Chad Kelly<br>
                          > Sent: Monday, 17 September 2018 4:35 PM<br>
                          > To: <a
                            href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>;
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                          > Subject: Re: [AusNOG] after hours staff
                          requirement<br>
                          ><br>
                          > On 9/17/2018 12:00 PM, <a
                            href="mailto:ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net"
                            target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net</a>
                          wrote:<br>
                          ><br>
                          >> I'm looking for a company to take on
                          our level 1 support, after hours.<br>
                          >> 10pm - 8am AEST<br>
                          >> 7 days a week, including public
                          holidays.<br>
                          >> Would prefer a local Australian
                          company, but will consider<br>
                          >> International too.<br>
                          >> Require a team of sorts, that handles
                          other companies too as it's not<br>
                          >> financially viable to have a team
                          dedicated to us as the volume of<br>
                          >> calls is bugger all.<br>
                          >><br>
                          >> We'll just redirect the 1300 number
                          to you during those times, a<br>
                          >> simple greeting, take down notes and
                          urgency, check the on-call<br>
                          >> calendar and call the Engineer to
                          action.<br>
                          >> Basically, I need you to wake up the
                          Engineer on call:)<br>
                          > Frankly if this is all you need a decent
                          phone system will do this without you needing
                          to hire an outsourcing company.<br>
                          > Most decent PBX systems will redirect to
                          a mobile after hours or better yet straight to
                          an answering machine that will email a
                          voicemail message to an engineer.<br>
                          > That way they can decide if the message
                          is important enough to bother doing anything
                          about, and frankly if you offer an on call
                          service you should be charging enough that it
                          deters  unwanted callers from ringing you in
                          the middle of the night anyway.<br>
                          > This is why we don't advertise 24/7
                          support as idiots randomly spam the ticket
                          system with rubbish which you then need to
                          delete anyway.<br>
                          > We offer support for critical issues on
                          weekends for existing customers only.<br>
                          > Your PBX also should have a decent
                          blacklist function for telemarketers.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > Regards Chad.<br>
                          ><br>
                          > --<br>
                          > Chad Kelly<br>
                          > Manager<br>
                          > CPK Web Services<br>
                          > Phone 03 5273 0246<br>
                          > Web <a href="http://www.cpkws.com.au/"
                            rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                            moz-do-not-send="true">www.cpkws.com.au</a><br>
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                          Manager<br>
                          CPK Web Services<br>
                          Phone 03 5273 0246<br>
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