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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">I'll support this - join a group that
can represent your interests in a combined submissions that
carries weight from the number of people/organisations/members
behind it. It can be the ITPA, or Internet Australia (we have a
dedicated ISP SIG for industry things, which did make an effective
difference with data retention), or another group, don't care -
but currently, unless you're a member of CommsAlliance, or you
write your own submissions, your voice is unheard.<br>
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In this case, the bill is likely to be referred to the PJCIS
(Parliamentary Joint Committee on Intelligence and Security),
which also covered the metadata issue a few years back. Making
even a short general submission now to say 'I'm interested' will
put your organisation on record, and you may be given an
invitation to speak to the Committee and explain how the laws will
affect you personally or your organisation. Its not scary. Or you
can join a group that will provide a front-man to do that, with
your input into the points they argue on your behalf.<br>
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A submission doesn't have to be long - a page or two can cover the
main points.<br>
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Paul.<br>
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On 16/08/2018 12:33 PM, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">On Thu, 16 Aug 2018 at 11:10, Paul Julian <<a
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi Paul,</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Where do you even start ?</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I would love to be able to
comment on these things properly but how do you
structure a response that isn’t just a whinge and
saying that it’s not fair and blah blah, it would
need to offer alternatives or suggestions on how
else this could be accomplished or why it shouldn’t
be in the first place.</span></p>
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Apologies if this isn't considered appropriate on this list,
but I think the point of joining representative organisations
is important, especially on this topic.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">Join a group like ITPA (it doesn't have
to be ITPA, so this isn't "strictly" an ad - more a drive to
get people participating in industry associations. The more
members we have, the stronger our voice. We have commented
strongly on this issue, and will continue to do so on this and
other issues of importance to IT Professionals.
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<div>ITPA Associate membership is free. Paid membership is
less than the cost of a cup of coffee a week.</div>
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<div>If not us, choose another representative organisation,
and make sure your voice is heard.</div>
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<div>If you (and others) don't, then things like Metadata
Retention, breaking encryption, and goodness knows what they
have up their sleeves next will continue to go through.</div>
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<div>Regards,</div>
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Robert</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>I would be interested in
working with others as I think this is totally NOT
ok, but I just don’t know where to even start,
anybody ?</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Regards</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Paul</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <<a
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 16 August 2018 11:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">AusNOG@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Dutton decryption bill</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>They're taking
feedback/submissions/comments for 4 weeks only -
is anyone planning to submit some comment?</b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It'd be sad if the government
only saw response from a few corporates
representing their vested interests.
Representative democracy only works on a put up or
shut up basis. Anyone with an interest in the
evolution of our industry should consider making a
submission, or at least expressing by proxy
through a joint submission.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Paul Wilkins </p>
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