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<body><div>What, like whatsapp/slack/irc/email/whatever? :)<br></div>
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<div>On Thu, 24 May 2018, at 16:09, Nick Stallman wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><p>If you had SMS via VoIP that would be *really* perfect.<br></p><div><br></div>
<div>On 24/05/18 15:52, Karen Hargreave
wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:59A801C9-56FF-4BEE-BF52-DF9261D1B131@iamunique.net.au"><div><div>Dual sim, VoIP app on the phone, then tell everyone to call
the number linked to the VoIP number *shrug* not hard, just a
pain<br></div>
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<div>On 24 May 2018, at 1:18 pm, Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:me@chrishawker.com.au">me@chrishawker.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br></div>
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<blockquote type="cite"><div><div style="font-size:12pt;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:Calibri, Helvetica, sans-serif;" dir="ltr"><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;">That is where a
mobile number on a SIP service would come in useful, 2
providers for data failover, same number no matter which
network.<br></p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;"><br></p><p style="margin-top:0px;margin-bottom:0px;">CH.<br></p></div>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, " sans-serif""><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>>
on behalf of Bradley Amm <<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>><br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, May 24, 2018 1:06:17 PM<br> <b>To:</b> Tony Miles; Mark Currie<br> <b>Cc:</b> <,<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>,<br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra mobile issues again?</span></span></span> </div>
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<div><div>Yes but the point is the number is only associated to
one sim. If that sims network provider is down you still
wont get calls to that number.<br></div>
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<div>You can still make calls<br></div>
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<div><div style="font-size:85%;color:rgb(87, 87, 87);">Sent
from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.<br></div>
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<div style="font-size:100%;color:rgb(0, 0, 0);"><div>-------- Original message --------<br></div>
<div>From: Tony Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles42@gmail.com">tmiles42@gmail.com</a>><br></div>
<div>Date: 24/5/18 9:58 am (GMT+08:00)<br></div>
<div>To: Mark Currie <<a href="mailto:MCurrie@laserfast.com.au">MCurrie@laserfast.com.au</a>><br></div>
<div>Cc: "<,<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>,"
<<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br></div>
<div>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra mobile issues again?<br></div>
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<div>Might be a market now for dual-sim 'electronic
bracelets' too now :)<br></div>
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<div><div>On 23 May 2018 11:57, "Mark
Currie" <<a href="mailto:MCurrie@laserfast.com.au">MCurrie@laserfast.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br></div>
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<blockquote style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1px;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-AU"><div><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">There
are dual SIM phones available as well.. Just
sayin’ :-)</span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)">Mark</span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"> </span><br></p><div><div style="border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;"><p><b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif""><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:"Tahoma", "sans-serif""><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr>ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Bradley Amm<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:19
AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra
mobile issues again?</span></span></p></div>
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<p> <br></p><p><span>It would be great if
we could “roam” between all networks or a
company comes up with a product that can roam
between all networks</span><br></p><p><span> </span><br></p><p><a name="x_m_7420710114180706095__MailEndCompose"><span> </span></a><br></p><div><div style="border-left-color:currentcolor;border-left-style:none;border-left-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-top-color:rgb(225, 225, 225);border-top-style:solid;border-top-width:1pt;padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;"><p><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr>ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brenden Cruikshank<br> <b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 May 2018 6:37
AM<br> <b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra
mobile issues again?</span></p></div>
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<p> <br></p><p>I’m on a personal Telstra
plan with an iPhone 8 Plus. It’s my choice to
use Telstra because I’m either on call or backup
to the oncall and I selected Telstra due to its
“premium” mobile network. It’s not just coverage
but actually reliable data speeds. <br></p><div><div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>Throughout the Telstra
outage my phone never went SOS only, does
this mean my phone wouldn’t have been able
to fail over to another network for 000 /
112??? I was unable to make outbound calls
and my incoming calls all went to voicemail.
My guess is I would be unable to call
000/112 and in an emergency hopefully
someone is on another carrier <br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>This happened just
outside my office building yesterday, if
Telstra was out on Tuesday instead of Monday
what’s your chances? Would the Telstra
outage have affected emergency services once
they arrived??<br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p><a href="https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-bus-in-brisbane-cbd-20180522-p4zgo5.html">https://www.brisbanetimes.com.<wbr>au/national/queensland/woman-<wbr>seriously-injured-after-being-<wbr>hit-by-bus-in-brisbane-cbd-<wbr>20180522-p4zgo5.html</a> <br></p></div>
<div><div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>Telstra seems to
publicly dismiss its outages as minor or
“affected a small number of users”
meanwhile people are mentioning it nation
wide. The outages have been higher then
usual over the last 6 months but I’ve got
18 months left on my contact. <br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>At work we use an
Optus evolve service and have 1-3 fixed
voice or data outages on a good month
lasting 30-90 mins to half a day or
longer. Business is in contract until
2020, it’s now just accepted as a normal
thing and phones are too hard so “thinking
about what to do about it” isn’t as simple
as that. (We did get a second internet
service so I guess we did think about it
on the data side). <br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>On the other hand we
have a legacy Telstra frame relay service,
it’s had 100% uptime for as long as I can
remember. Old technology just seems so
much more reliable. <br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>Tonight I’m picking
up a Amaysim to use as a backup on their
$10/mo plan. It’s cheap and what Telstra
recommends I don’t do! <br></p></div>
<div><p><a href="https://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra-warns-users-off-cheap-sims-491236">https://www.itnews.com.au/<wbr>news/telstra-warns-users-off-<wbr>cheap-sims-491236</a> <br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>And 4G was
unavailable this morning at Central
station in Brisbane with minimal to no 3G
data throughput. Thanks Telstra. <br></p></div>
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<div><p> <br></p><div><p>Sent from my iPhone<br></p></div>
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<div>On 22 May 2018, at 11:11 pm, Joshua
D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>>
wrote:<br></div>
</p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><p>If a business,
regardless of size, isn't looking at
these Telstra outages (or any of
their provider outages really) and
getting the ball rolling on what to
do about it..... well, not good.<br></p><div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p style="margin-bottom:12pt;">The
smallest business has the ability,
even if not the
intelligence/motivation/<wbr>smarts/etc,
to evaluate what they rely on and
the level of continuity they
require. Literally even just
reading this thread should be
enough to raise the appropriate
questions, such as "why do you
think something like "t<span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:"Arial", "sans-serif""><span class="size" style="font-size:9.5pt">hey
pay for a service. It probably
isn't the cheapest, but they pay
for it anyhow because the name
brings an element of trust"
means zero downtime?"</span></span></span></span><br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>It is
interesting that there has been a
shift between services you could
totally rely on (say Telstra in
the 90s), to those you can't even
with a tight SLA (Telstra now..),
but the reality is those
considering a bulletproof system
in the 90s still had a backup
incase of a Telstra outage.<br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>But back to
the OP, Telstra dropping 000
should be hounded like no
tomorrow. People think power gas
is essential services, but 000 is
actually essential. Is anyone
monitoring the ACMA or whoever
responses to these events and the
lapsing of SLAs?<br></p></div>
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<div><p> <br></p><div><p>On 22 May
2018 at 22:22, Karen Hargreave
<<a href="mailto:karen@iamunique.net.au">karen@iamunique.net.au</a>>
wrote:<br></p><blockquote style="border-top-color:currentcolor;border-top-style:none;border-top-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><p>Ok,
devils advocate side to the
rant..<br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>Firstly,
let me say that I am not
against your idea in the
sense that there is
definitely a need for small
businesses to be more
agile. <br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>Ok,
that said. Yes, one could
think that a small business
could be more agile, but
then, they pay for a
service. It probably isn't
the cheapest, but they pay
for it anyhow because the
name brings an element of
trust. Small businesses
generally don't have the
ability to reach into a draw
and pick up a sim from
another provider just to
keep them on the air. Even
if they can, how do they
tell their customers of a
phone number change? Who do
they tell? Yes, a solution
could involve other types of
voice services to be
contacted on, but then there
is the question, if part of
what they are paying for is
trust in the brand, then
well... you know where I am
going.<br></p></div>
<div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>Oh, and
food for thought, almost
literally... try working at
a food delivery place when
the competitor has no
eftpos... yes, they do lose
money :) and customers :) <br></p></div>
<div><p><div><br></div>
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<div>On 22 May 2018, at 9:49
pm, Jason Leschnik <<a href="mailto:jason@leschnik.me">jason@leschnik.me</a>>
wrote:<br></div>
</p></div>
<blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><p>The
Media and the
Public's response to
this is a little
disheartening.
Before I got into
the world of
networking I'd be
part of the masses
on WhingePool
ragging on the ISPs.
The more I see
behind the curtain
of the industry I
sympathise that the
problems we face are
large and complex.
Most people struggle
to perform simple
"adult" functions
but yet believe that
a large insanely
complex organisation
with many moving
parts isn't just as
potentially flawed
is baffling. So many
comments on Twitter
with business owners
blaming Telstra for
their "insane
financial loss" due
to the outage but in
saying that, isn't
their lack of BCP
nothing more than
the same thing
Telstra saw if not
worse? A small
company is much more
agile to create a
simple BCP for
events like this. <br></p><div><p> <br></p></div>
<div><p>/Rant <br></p></div>
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<div><p> <br></p><div><p>On
21 May 2018 at
10:37, Ross
Wheeler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net">ausnog@rossw.net</a>> wrote:<br></p><blockquote style="border-top-color:currentcolor;border-top-style:none;border-top-width:medium;border-bottom-color:currentcolor;border-bottom-style:none;border-bottom-width:medium;border-right-color:currentcolor;border-right-style:none;border-right-width:medium;border-image-outset:0;border-image-repeat:stretch;border-image-slice:100%;border-image-source:none;border-image-width:1;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;border-left-width:1pt;padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5pt;"><p><div><br></div>
<div>I'm seeing
(mobile)
services - voice
and data - down
or intermittent
in multiple
areas for the
last 40 minutes
or so.<br></div>
<div> <br></div>
<div> Can't find
anything
mentioned about
it - am I just
lucky enough to
have a
significant
proportion of my
telstra services
go titsup all
together, or is
there some wider
issue?<br></div>
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<div> (None of my
services with
other carriers
seem affected at
this stage).<br></div>
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8039 6820</a><br></td></tr><tr><td style="padding-right:5pt;"><img style="display:block;" src="https://www.fastmailusercontent.com/proxy/1c1bf4411f106b8d93633c11e0ea9f8d7de0209509746518a8b9ca12b058a4ba/8647470737a3f2f2777777e2167656e64707f696e647e236f6d6e21657f27707d236f6e64756e647f2478656d65637f2160747f523031363f256d61696c637f296d616765637f256f5160747f59636f6e6f576c6f62656e207e676/e_apt_icon_globe.png" alt="Website" width="16"><br></td><td><a style="color:rgb(154, 154, 154);text-decoration-line:none;text-decoration-style:solid;text-decoration-color:currentcolor;" href="https://www.agentpoint.com.au/" title="Agentpoint">www.agentpoint.com.au</a><br></td></tr></tbody></table></td><td style="width:30%;padding-top:5pt;"><table style="width:100%;text-align:right;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td><a href="https://www.agentpoint.com.au/" title="Agentpoint"><img style="width:133px;max-width:100%;height:auto;" src="https://www.fastmailusercontent.com/proxy/2e24de2953747caa9489dd1136baac6be8f0736d8bba14ef295195f0c52496ba/8647470737a3f2f2777777e2167656e64707f696e647e236f6d6e21657f27707d236f6e64756e647f2478656d65637f2160747f523031363f256d61696c637f296d616765637f256f5160747f5c6f676f6f5167656e64707f696e647e207e676/e_apt_logo_agentpoint.png" alt="Agentpoint" border="0"></a><br></td></tr><tr><td><a href="https://netpoint.group/" title="Netpoint"><img style="width:100px;max-width:100%;height:auto;" src="https://www.fastmailusercontent.com/proxy/99b81e2d9afd4f696d16010f2da5a9ca096899000a8794c6766ca50330bdb13c/8647470737a3f2f2777777e2167656e64707f696e647e236f6d6e21657f27707d236f6e64756e647f2478656d65637f2160747f523031363f256d61696c637f296d616765637f256f5160747f5c6f676f6f5e6564707f696e647e207e676/e_apt_logo_netpoint.png" alt="Netpoint" border="0"></a><br></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr><tr><td><table style="width:100%;font-family:Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:9pt;" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"><tbody><tr><td style="width:50%;padding-top:6pt;padding-right:0px;padding-bottom:5pt;padding-left:7pt;background-color:rgb(102, 204, 255);color:rgb(255, 255, 255);">Level 3,
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