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<p>FYI I believe NSW bracelets did actually roam and didn't have an
outage.</p>
<p>The other states were cheapskates and didn't pay for roaming. :)<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/05/18 11:58, Tony Miles wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Might be a market now for dual-sim 'electronic
bracelets' too now :)</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 23 May 2018 11:57, "Mark Currie"
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">There
are dual SIM phones available as well.. Just sayin’
:-)</span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Mark </span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d"> </span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bradley Amm<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:19 AM<br>
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href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra mobile
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>It would be great if we could
“roam” between all networks or a company comes up
with a product that can roam between all networks</span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Brenden Cruikshank<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 May 2018 6:37 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra mobile
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m on a personal Telstra plan with
an iPhone 8 Plus. It’s my choice to use Telstra
because I’m either on call or backup to the oncall and
I selected Telstra due to its “premium” mobile
network. It’s not just coverage but actually reliable
data speeds. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Throughout the Telstra outage
my phone never went SOS only, does this mean my
phone wouldn’t have been able to fail over to
another network for 000 / 112??? I was unable to
make outbound calls and my incoming calls all went
to voicemail. My guess is I would be unable to
call 000/112 and in an emergency hopefully someone
is on another carrier </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This happened just outside my
office building yesterday, if Telstra was out on
Tuesday instead of Monday what’s your chances?
Would the Telstra outage have affected emergency
services once they arrived??</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/national/queensland/woman-seriously-injured-after-being-hit-by-bus-in-brisbane-cbd-20180522-p4zgo5.html"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.brisbanetimes.com.<wbr>au/national/queensland/woman-<wbr>seriously-injured-after-being-<wbr>hit-by-bus-in-brisbane-cbd-<wbr>20180522-p4zgo5.html</a> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Telstra seems to publicly
dismiss its outages as minor or “affected a
small number of users” meanwhile people are
mentioning it nation wide. The outages have been
higher then usual over the last 6 months but
I’ve got 18 months left on my contact. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At work we use an Optus
evolve service and have 1-3 fixed voice or data
outages on a good month lasting 30-90 mins to
half a day or longer. Business is in contract
until 2020, it’s now just accepted as a normal
thing and phones are too hard so “thinking about
what to do about it” isn’t as simple as that.
(We did get a second internet service so I guess
we did think about it on the data side). </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On the other hand we have a
legacy Telstra frame relay service, it’s had
100% uptime for as long as I can remember. Old
technology just seems so much more reliable. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Tonight I’m picking up a
Amaysim to use as a backup on their $10/mo plan.
It’s cheap and what Telstra recommends I don’t
do! </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a
href="https://www.itnews.com.au/news/telstra-warns-users-off-cheap-sims-491236"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">https://www.itnews.com.au/<wbr>news/telstra-warns-users-off-<wbr>cheap-sims-491236</a> </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And 4G was unavailable this
morning at Central station in Brisbane with
minimal to no 3G data throughput. Thanks
Telstra. </p>
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On 22 May 2018, at 11:11 pm, Joshua D'Alton
<<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If a business,
regardless of size, isn't looking at these
Telstra outages (or any of their provider
outages really) and getting the ball
rolling on what to do about it..... well,
not good.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The
smallest business has the ability, even
if not the intelligence/motivation/<wbr>smarts/etc,
to evaluate what they rely on and the
level of continuity they require.
Literally even just reading this thread
should be enough to raise the
appropriate questions, such as "why do
you think something like "t<span
style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white">hey
pay for a service. It probably isn't
the cheapest, but they pay for it
anyhow because the name brings an
element of trust" means zero
downtime?"</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It is interesting
that there has been a shift between
services you could totally rely on (say
Telstra in the 90s), to those you can't
even with a tight SLA (Telstra now..),
but the reality is those considering a
bulletproof system in the 90s still had
a backup incase of a Telstra outage.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">But back to the OP,
Telstra dropping 000 should be hounded
like no tomorrow. People think power gas
is essential services, but 000 is
actually essential. Is anyone monitoring
the ACMA or whoever responses to these
events and the lapsing of SLAs?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 22 May 2018 at
22:22, Karen Hargreave <<a
href="mailto:karen@iamunique.net.au"
target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">karen@iamunique.net.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, devils
advocate side to the rant..</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Firstly, let me
say that I am not against your
idea in the sense that there is
definitely a need for small
businesses to be more agile. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Ok, that said.
Yes, one could think that a small
business could be more agile, but
then, they pay for a service. It
probably isn't the cheapest, but
they pay for it anyhow because the
name brings an element of trust.
Small businesses generally don't
have the ability to reach into a
draw and pick up a sim from
another provider just to keep them
on the air. Even if they can, how
do they tell their customers of a
phone number change? Who do they
tell? Yes, a solution could
involve other types of voice
services to be contacted on, but
then there is the question, if
part of what they are paying for
is trust in the brand, then
well... you know where I am
going.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Oh, and food
for thought, almost literally...
try working at a food delivery
place when the competitor has no
eftpos... yes, they do lose money
:) and customers :) </p>
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On 22 May 2018, at 9:49 pm,
Jason Leschnik <<a
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target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">jason@leschnik.me</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The
Media and the Public's
response to this is a
little disheartening.
Before I got into the
world of networking I'd be
part of the masses on
WhingePool ragging on the
ISPs. The more I see
behind the curtain of the
industry I sympathise that
the problems we face are
large and complex. Most
people struggle to perform
simple "adult" functions
but yet believe that a
large insanely complex
organisation with many
moving parts isn't just as
potentially flawed is
baffling. So many comments
on Twitter with business
owners blaming Telstra for
their "insane financial
loss" due to the outage
but in saying that, isn't
their lack of BCP nothing
more than the same thing
Telstra saw if not worse?
A small company is much
more agile to create a
simple BCP for events like
this. </p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 21
May 2018 at 10:37, Ross
Wheeler <<a
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I'm seeing (mobile)
services - voice and
data - down or
intermittent in
multiple areas for the
last 40 minutes or so.<br>
<br>
Can't find anything
mentioned about it -
am I just lucky enough
to have a significant
proportion of my
telstra services go
titsup all together,
or is there some wider
issue?<br>
<br>
(None of my services
with other carriers
seem affected at this
stage).<br>
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