<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=UTF-8"></head><body><div>Yes but how times in the last year have we had a full telstra or vocus sip outage lasting half a day </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Jay Dixon <<a href="mailto:jaybobo@gmail.com">jaybobo@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 24/5/18 12:54 pm (GMT+08:00) </div><div>To: Christopher Hawker <<a href="mailto:me@chrishawker.com.au">me@chrishawker.com.au</a>> </div><div>Cc: Bradley Amm <<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>>, Tony Miles <<a href="mailto:tmiles42@gmail.com">tmiles42@gmail.com</a>>, Mark Currie <<a href="mailto:MCurrie@laserfast.com.au">MCurrie@laserfast.com.au</a>>, "<,<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>>," <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>> </div><div>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra mobile issues again? </div><div><br></div></div><div dir="ltr">then we'd have a trail of emails 50-deep about a SIP provider outage ;)</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, May 24, 2018 at 1:18 PM, Christopher Hawker <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:me@chrishawker.com.au" target="_blank">me@chrishawker.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p style="margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0">That is where a mobile number on a SIP service would come in useful, 2 providers for data failover, same number no matter which network.</p>
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<div>Yes but the point is the number is only associated to one sim. If that sims network provider is down you still wont get calls to that number.</div>
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<div>Might be a market now for dual-sim 'electronic bracelets' too now :)</div>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">There are dual SIM phones available as well.. Just sayin’ :-)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1f497d">Mark <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Bradley Amm<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 May 2018 11:19 AM<br>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal"><span>It would be great if we could “roam” between all networks or a company comes up with a product that can roam between all networks</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 23 May 2018 6:37 AM<br>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">I’m on a personal Telstra plan with an iPhone 8 Plus. It’s my choice to use Telstra because I’m either on call or backup to the oncall and I selected Telstra due to its “premium” mobile network. It’s not just coverage but actually reliable
data speeds. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">Throughout the Telstra outage my phone never went SOS only, does this mean my phone wouldn’t have been able to fail over to another network for 000 / 112??? I was unable to make outbound calls and my incoming calls all went to voicemail.
My guess is I would be unable to call 000/112 and in an emergency hopefully someone is on another carrier <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">This happened just outside my office building yesterday, if Telstra was out on Tuesday instead of Monday what’s your chances? Would the Telstra outage have affected emergency services once they arrived??<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">Telstra seems to publicly dismiss its outages as minor or “affected a small number of users” meanwhile people are mentioning it nation wide. The outages have been higher then usual over the last 6 months but I’ve got 18 months left on
my contact. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">At work we use an Optus evolve service and have 1-3 fixed voice or data outages on a good month lasting 30-90 mins to half a day or longer. Business is in contract until 2020, it’s now just accepted as a normal thing and phones are too
hard so “thinking about what to do about it” isn’t as simple as that. (We did get a second internet service so I guess we did think about it on the data side). <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">On the other hand we have a legacy Telstra frame relay service, it’s had 100% uptime for as long as I can remember. Old technology just seems so much more reliable. <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">Tonight I’m picking up a Amaysim to use as a backup on their $10/mo plan. It’s cheap and what Telstra recommends I don’t do! <u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">And 4G was unavailable this morning at Central station in Brisbane with minimal to no 3G data throughput. Thanks Telstra. <u></u><u></u></p>
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On 22 May 2018, at 11:11 pm, Joshua D'Alton <<a href="mailto:joshua@railgun.com.au" target="_blank">joshua@railgun.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">The smallest business has the ability, even if not the intelligence/motivation/smarts<wbr>/etc, to evaluate what they rely on and the level of continuity they require. Literally even just reading this thread
should be enough to raise the appropriate questions, such as "why do you think something like "t<span style="font-size:9.5pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white">hey pay for a service. It probably isn't the cheapest, but they
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">It is interesting that there has been a shift between services you could totally rely on (say Telstra in the 90s), to those you can't even with a tight SLA (Telstra now..), but the reality is those considering a bulletproof system in
the 90s still had a backup incase of a Telstra outage.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">But back to the OP, Telstra dropping 000 should be hounded like no tomorrow. People think power gas is essential services, but 000 is actually essential. Is anyone monitoring the ACMA or whoever responses to these events and the lapsing
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">On 22 May 2018 at 22:22, Karen Hargreave <<a href="mailto:karen@iamunique.net.au" target="_blank">karen@iamunique.net.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">Ok, that said. Yes, one could think that a small business could be more agile, but then, they pay for a service. It probably isn't the cheapest, but they pay for it anyhow because the name brings an element of trust. Small businesses
generally don't have the ability to reach into a draw and pick up a sim from another provider just to keep them on the air. Even if they can, how do they tell their customers of a phone number change? Who do they tell? Yes, a solution could involve other types
of voice services to be contacted on, but then there is the question, if part of what they are paying for is trust in the brand, then well... you know where I am going.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_-1341865030568980617x_MsoNormal">Oh, and food for thought, almost literally... try working at a food delivery place when the competitor has no eftpos... yes, they do lose money :) and customers :) <u></u><u></u></p>
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that the problems we face are large and complex. Most people struggle to perform simple "adult" functions but yet believe that a large insanely complex organisation with many moving parts isn't just as potentially flawed is baffling. So many comments on Twitter
with business owners blaming Telstra for their "insane financial loss" due to the outage but in saying that, isn't their lack of BCP nothing more than the same thing Telstra saw if not worse? A small company is much more agile to create a simple BCP for events
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(None of my services with other carriers seem affected at this stage).<br>
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