<div dir="ltr">There's nothing for HE to fix in the case of Telstra, Optus, AAPT -- none of them peer with HE locally, so naturally the best path is across to SJC and back again.<br><br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 16 May 2018 at 09:59, Bradley Amm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com" target="_blank">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div>So I guess its unlikely that HE will fix the routing to Telstra, Optus, AAPT anytime soon. </div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div id="m_-6620495794621080793composer_signature"><div style="font-size:85%;color:#575757" dir="auto">Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.</div></div><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div style="font-size:100%;color:#000000"><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Nick Stallman <<a href="mailto:nick@agentpoint.com" target="_blank">nick@agentpoint.com</a>> </div><div>Date: 16/5/18 7:32 am (GMT+08:00) </div><div>To: Pieter Berkel <<a href="mailto:pieter.berkel@gmail.com" target="_blank">pieter.berkel@gmail.com</a>>, McDonald Richards <<a href="mailto:mcdonald.richards@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcdonald.richards@gmail.com</a>> </div><div>Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a> </div><div>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] HE Routing (not a joke) </div><div><br></div></div>
<p>A beancounter must have realised they had lots of unused
Australia -> US capacity and decided they wanted to make some
profit from it.<br>
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<div class="m_-6620495794621080793moz-cite-prefix">On 16/05/18 09:29, Pieter Berkel wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr">Fair -- but where does "bits we both end up paying
for" fit into that spectrum?<br>
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Richards <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mcdonald.richards@gmail.com" target="_blank">mcdonald.richards@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div dir="ltr">standard route policy: bits you pay me for
> bits I get for free > bits I pay for.</div>
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AM, Pieter Berkel <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pieter.berkel@gmail.com" target="_blank">pieter.berkel@gmail.com</a>></span>
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<div>Matt and Gavin are right: this asymmetric
routing seems to only impacts providers that
buy transit from HE in SJC (TPG and Vocus
being the two main ones I've noticed). It
would appear from the below post that HE
policy is to preference transit over peering
links (presuming that AS paths for both are
the same length?):<br>
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<a href="https://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=233763&page_no=2#2006292" target="_blank">https://www.geekzone.co.nz/for<wbr>ums.asp?forumid=81&topicid=233<wbr>763&page_no=2#2006292</a><br>
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<div>(Although I'm not quite sure how the
reverse might break routing, it might break
their business model?). I guess it's up to
Vocus & TPG to figure out how fix if it
becomes a problem for them.<br>
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<div>Edwin: there is some merit to having a
routable /48 to experiment with, not sure if
Internode supply that sort of IPv6 subnet to
ADSL customers?<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On 16 May 2018 at
09:05, Dave Browning <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dave@sentrian.com.au" target="_blank">dave@sentrian.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">All good if
on MegaIX SYD<br>
<span><br>
Tracing route to <a href="http://tserv1.syd1.he.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tserv1.syd1.he.net</a>
[216.218.142.50]<br>
over a maximum of 30 hops:<br>
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</span> 1 <1 ms <1 ms
<1 ms <a href="http://vl666.cr01.b1.bne.qld.au.sentrian.net.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">vl666.cr01.b1.bne.qld.au.sentr<wbr>ian.net.au</a>
[103.226.9.138]<br>
<a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=2%C2%A0+%C2%A0+15+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">2 15 ms
16 ms</a> 14 ms <a href="http://vl3.cr01.s1.syd.nsw.au.sentrian.net.au" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">vl3.cr01.s1.syd.nsw.au.sentria<wbr>n.net.au</a>
[103.226.9.<a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=245%5D+%0D%0A%C2%A0+3%C2%A0+%C2%A0+13+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">245]</a><br>
<a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=3%C2%A0+%C2%A0+13+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+16+ms&entry=gmail&source=g">3 13 ms 16 ms</a> 14 ms <a href="http://as6939.sydney.megaport.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">as6939.sydney.megaport.com</a>
[103.26.68.236]<br>
<a href="https://maps.google.com/?q=4%C2%A0+%C2%A0+12+ms%C2%A0+%C2%A0+19+ms&entry=gmail&source=g" target="_blank">4 12 ms
19 ms</a> 15 ms <a href="http://tserv1.syd1.he.net" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">tserv1.syd1.he.net</a>
[216.218.142.50]<br>
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