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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Just for some push back Paul, your hyper left wing views is probably not for AusNOG<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Might I suggest Reddit?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I guess the mods are going to want this convo closed ><<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black">Burt Mascareigne<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US"> AusNOG <ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Peter Tiggerdine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, 14 May 2018 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Person in the Middle Attacks<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I'm pretty sure women are more interested pay equality, leadership, upskilling and just not being harassed over nitpicking on a word.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">While I can appreciate the spirit of OP, there are bigger issues.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<br>
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Peter Tiggerdine<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, May 14, 2018, 14:31 Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Did someone change rename Monday to Friday?<br>
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Paul, you do realise that “Man” in “Man in the Middle” actually means “person”<br>
based of the dictionary definition of “man”?<br>
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2. a human being of either sex; a person.<br>
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Mark<br>
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> On 14 May 2018, at 2:20 pm, Chris Legg <<a href="mailto:chris%2Bausnog@legg.net.au" target="_blank">chris+ausnog@legg.net.au</a>> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Well said! I'm just thankful I don't have to explain what "gender changers" are anymore.<br>
> <br>
> On 14/05/2018 11:06 AM, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
>> It's just dawned on me that in light of the clear gender imbalance in our industry, and by way of a shout out to much overdue #MeToo reactions to pussie grabbing malefactors, we need to move away from gender discriminatory terminology, specifically, there
is no reason why it should be a Man perpetrating an insertion attack. We should recognise that the perpetrator could just as easily be a woman as a man, and that henceforth we should be calling these Person in the Middle Attacks.<br>
>> <br>
>> Where you look up the Wikipedia article which describes the Alice, Bob scenario, with their communication being snooped on by the attacker Mallory, in a curious serendepity, Mallory is a non gender specific Proper Name, and can be a woman as easily as a
man.<br>
>> <br>
>> Man in the Middle is a purely technical concept, where there is no place for gender specification and serves no purpose but to perpetuate gender stereotypes. In light of which, henceforth, thinking people should rather refer to this vector as a Person in
the Middle Attack.<br>
>> <br>
>> Kind regards<br>
>> <br>
>> Paul Wilkins<br>
>> <br>
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