<div dir="ltr"><div><div>> and realised, that phone numbers where
really just there for people without those systems to reach them. <br><br></div>Why does non-business consumers have a landline number? Historical leftover from before mobile phones. Why didn't they get rid of it? Because it is linked to their ADSL link. Will I have that landline number in 3/6/12/24/48 months when I get my NBN connection? No. I have zero interest in keeping it, the only reason I have it is because of ADSL. I haven't gotten a (non-spam) fax for ages, I haven't gotten a (non-spam) call for ages. I really would like to see statistics on how many landline numbers have been returned after the move to an NBN infrastructure.<br><br></div>Edwin<br><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 2 May 2018 at 13:50, Mattia Rossi <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mattia.rossi.mailinglists@gmail.com" target="_blank">mattia.rossi.mailinglists@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Chiming in a bit late, but I agree, numbers do not count anymore.</p>
<p>a) most people don't remember any number at all. It's saved on
the phone and you dial the name. It's of course also based on the
"all inclusive" cost models</p>
<p>b) businesses run on VoIP Systems, which are integrated with any
form of address book, presence and instant messaging. Again you
dial people, not numbers. Heck, when you use Skype4Business or
Jabber or Circuit or whatever, most of the time you do not even
dial a number, but a sip address. If federation between the
systems is in place, this goes even beyond the business boundaries</p>
<p>c) your business number is portable and can be used on any
voip/sip enabled, connected, smart device. I for example wouldn't
even need any mobile number if it wouldn't come with my mobile
plan. Calls to friends are made via Whatsapp or Facebook messenger
or more rarely Skype. No numbers there. Skype4Business is on my
mobile, so my Business number is on my mobile. And I'm available
on that number anywhere in the world where I have Internet
connectivity on my phone. But I wouldn't need it either, as I
could receive calls via my SIP identifier (my business email
address). No number needed. <br>
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<p>So my view is: phone numbers are legacy. Back in Switzerland they
did a massive haul over of many businesses in the last 5 years,
introducing modern SIP based Communication (Skype4Business,
Circuit, Jabber, Mitel) and realised, that phone numbers where
really just there for people without those systems to reach them.
So what they did, is to move mostly over to the 058 block, which
is geo-independent and derived from a premium number block (there
was some discussion about costs which got solved by the incumbent
who owned the block by eliminating the premium in the end). The
rationale for that was, that nobody would know about the real
location of a number anyway, and geo-dependent numbers would
actually make a relocation of a business unit to another region
quite confusing (which over there happens more often than here in
Australia because of much smaller regions).</p>
<p>It messes with emergency services though, which usually rely on
the geographic identifier of the phone though. <br>
</p>
<p>That's where e112 and friends come into play then.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>Mat<br>
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<div class="m_8819896713610191504moz-cite-prefix">On 1/05/2018 8:56 AM, Mark Tees wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">I am kind of wondering if we can get to a stage
of complete number virtualisation. Mainly so when I’m overseas
I can more easily direct actual inbound SMS how I see fit.
Have also had the same number for almost 10 years. At present
I hook up an Android phone and send/receive SMS via email or
forwarding with normal call diversion.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Ideally, I could port my number to a virtual
mobile service and receive calls via SIP of whatever then
receive SMS via API calls or email.</div>
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<div dir="auto">From the carrier VOIP side it would be awesome
if we could receive SMS in a similar fashion as SIP.</div>
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<div>On Tue, 1 May 2018 at 07:36, Matthew Moyle-Croft <<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Previous
thread about fake caller ID made me think about what phone
numbers mean in the Australian context.<br>
<br>
Historically we’ve had numbers that are geo based for
landlines (02, 03, 08 etc) and other numbers that delineate
the cost to call (eg. 04 for mobile, 13/18 for fixed cost
non-geo or free, 1900 for “premium” etc). But we’re now
looking to a future where a range of factors are meaning
that the differentiation is less meaningful. <br>
<br>
A _lot_ of people are moving, because of generation change,
NBN, etc to only have a mobile number. Many people are on
mobile or “fixed line” plans where calls are all-inclusive
so knowing the cost of a call from the phone number is
pretty much irrelevant. My parents and some of my
grandparents (yes I still have them) basically use mobile
only and don’t answer home phones *because* of the scams on
home phones! I don’t actually know what my brothers and
sisters home phone numbers are. <br>
<br>
There’s still a historic “interconnect” charging
model/market between telcos that I suspect is just as
painful as when I last looked at it.<br>
<br>
What is the future for voice and calls in Australia? Do
geo-numbers make sense? Why shouldn’t I be able to have an
08 xxxx xxxx number as my mobile number? (I know the
back-end charging/porting reasons, but we’re looking forward
not backward here).<br>
<br>
Even calling internationally - voice calls now between
countries are generally so awful to use (delay, crappy audio
etc) that even for business calls I use things like
Facetime/Facebook/WhatsApp/<wbr>Hangout calls where the voice is
so good and low delay I can’t tell where the other person is
from.<br>
<br>
I suspect nothing much will change and that’s primarily
because the major telcos with mobile networks want to
continue to make money out of charging each other for calls,
but, even that I suspect will all fade away.<br>
<br>
We do get attached to phone numbers - my Australian mobile
is one from the dawn of GSM in Australia and I’ve had it now
for more than 20 years and even though I don’t live in
Australia at the moment I keep it running on a long life
prepaid! So, don’t think I lack sentiment here.<br>
<br>
MMC<br>
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