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<p>On 02/05/2018 14:30, Ross Wheeler wrote:</p>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">On Wed, 2 May 2018, Noel Butler wrote:</span><br /><br />
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<br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">Yes and no.</span><br /> Section 282 certificate was an instrument we were given that removed the risk from us, because someone gave us that certificate which made giving up that information unambiguously legal from our perspective. Also, prior to DR we had basically no legal obligation to retain some (or any) data.<br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">After DR, two things have changed.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">1. We have a legal obligation to capture and securely retain a</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"> whole pile of things.</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">2. We are required to give extracts of that information</span><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;"> when requested, and but DO NOT REQUIRE A WARRANT.</span><br /><br /></div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">No, only number 1 is new, and as for ISP's (not telcos) Id hardly call radius and email logs a "whole pile of things", I'd also not call it that for those offering phone services either since clients like to lookup to see their recent history they would be keeping that for a while anyway, OK, so maybe now you gotta keep that for 2 years with no choice, rather than a year or just months, but its hardly earth shattering for typical ISPs.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">Actual real Telcos that provide cell towers and so on, also not much changes, certain telcos admitted they already keep the details for 7 bloody years, 5 years more than now minimally required to.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">And #2 has always been the case under s282, I recall doing them as far back as 2002</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><br /><br /> Yes, yes, data INTERCEPTION is a different thing, and PRE-MANDATORY-DR legislation, a warrant or similar instrument was required - BUT NOT NOW.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace">huh? where do you get interception from or are you just moving the goal posts to suit your story, your OP never mentions a word of it, and nobody has unless I missed a post or three, is talking about interception, which does require a warrant, your post was a bout user joe blogs information which never has required it, DR or no DR.</div>
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<div class="pre" style="margin: 0; padding: 0; font-family: monospace"><br /><br /><br /><span style="white-space: nowrap;">I find it difficult to believe so many seem to be so badly mis-informed.</span></div>
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<p>Yes, indeed, there are a few mis-informed here.</p>
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<p>Kind Regards,</p>
<p>Noel Butler</p>
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