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    Perhaps there is a middle ground like with health insurance? Time
    limits for certain claims? <br>
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     The main complaint seems to be buying second hand gear, perhaps
    providing a bill of sale and a statement saying the hardware is
    'currently' working and operational, and a first 1-3 months no RMA
    or something similar kind of policy to protect against immediate
    fraud I think would be reasonable - this way the second hand kit
    gets access to software and TAC while not being at a huge risk of
    customer turning around and expecting RMA's day 1, and protecting
    against some long-con which seems obviously fraudulent.<br>
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    But this is all just speculation - current policy is current policy
    and if enforced, is gonna suck for Peter's customer.<br>
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    On 26/04/18 15:58, Scott Howard wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">While you're at it, you might as well cancel your
        house and contents insurance.
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        <div>If the building burns down, just call up and start a new
          policy and then submit your claim.</div>
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        <div>I'm sure they'll be ok with that, right?</div>
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        <div>  Scott</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Apr 25, 2018 at 10:41 PM, Karl
          Auer <span dir="ltr"><<a
              href="mailto:kauer@biplane.com.au" target="_blank"
              moz-do-not-send="true">kauer@biplane.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Wed,
            2018-04-25 at 00:07 +0000, Nikolas Geyer wrote:<br>
            > Yes, it’s pretty standard. It’s to stop people running
            hardware<br>
            > without a maintenance contract and only buying one when
            they need to<br>
            > do, for example, a RMA.<br>
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            Sorry, why is that a problem? If they pay the support fee,
            they should<br>
            get the benefits. If they are not using the benefits, why
            should they<br>
            pay the fee? On the flip side, they may not have paid
            support for ten<br>
            years, but they also have not been costing the vendor
            anything.<br>
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            I see no problem with someone waiting until it is needed
            before paying<br>
            the support fee.<br>
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            Am I missing something? What *is* the "vendor side of the
            problem"?<br>
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            Regards, K.<br>
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