<div dir="ltr"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">But if she has to pay to get a copper line in order to get FTTN it sounds like a pretty bad deal. The standard cost is $500, isn't it?</span>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Standard install cost is ~#300. Compared to the FTTP technology choice upgrade $ of 4-5 figures it isn't too bad.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">She already has an Optus SIM and the base station is pretty close and her 4G service would be way faster than 20Mbps which is the best she would get on NBN.</span>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>1. 4G will probably be faster than NBN correct. If you don't use much data then it could be an option.</div><div>2. She might get much faster than 20Mbps. The majority of the country will get > 50Mbps.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline">Given that Optus now offer unmetered access to Netflix,</span>
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<span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;font-size:12.8px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;font-weight:400;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;float:none;display:inline"><span> </span>I can't really see that she would have much use of a fixed broadband solution unless the FTTN was to give you a much cheaper upgrade path to FTTP sometime in the near future.<span> </span></span>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>There is no upgrade path from FTTN to FTTP. Subscribing now won't make a future FTTP upgrade any cheaper.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><br><br>Kind Regards,<br><br>Nick Kamenyitzky<br><br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>Email: <a href="mailto:nick@kamenyitzky.com.au" target="_blank">nick@kamenyitzky.com.au</a><br>Ph: 0439 910 219<br>-------------------------------------------------------------------------</div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 March 2018 at 15:02, Ken Sayers <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:kens@acm.org" target="_blank">kens@acm.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Yeah,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">But if she has to pay to get a copper line in order to get FTTN it sounds like a pretty bad deal. The standard cost is $500, isn't it?</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">She already has an Optus SIM and the base station is pretty close and her 4G service would be way faster than 20Mbps which is the best she would get on NBN.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Given that Optus now offer unmetered access to Netflix, which is her preferred entertainment solution, I can't really see that she would have much use of a fixed broadband solution unless the FTTN was to give you a much cheaper upgrade path to FTTP sometime in the near future. Otherwise, she'll just stick to mobile and chromecast to a larger screen.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">There has to be a compelling story for her to bother with getting connected.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Regards Ken Sayers</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><br></div><img id="m_-1925568973708498423nathansemailtooltracker" src="https://api.thetopinbox.com/track/v2/open?id=6671fe93-a65a-4bb1-b901-025b946023d8" width="1" height="1" border="0" style="width:1px;height:1px;opacity:0.01"></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="m_-1925568973708498423gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:12.8px">------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>------------------------------<wbr>-----------------</span></div><div style="text-align:center"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Ken Sayers Tel: <a href="tel:+61%20414%20384%20010" value="+61414384010" target="_blank">+61 414 384 010</a></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div class="h5">
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 22 March 2018 at 13:39, Paul Brooks <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au" target="_blank">pbrooks-ausnog@layer10.com.au</a><wbr>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_-1925568973708498423m_-4925411245978945821moz-cite-prefix">Ken - for a single house on a single
block of land, she'll probably get whichever technology the
neighbours are allocated, which you can find out from the NBN
website lookup tool by moving the red pin around. If the block is
in a FTTN area, then there's likely to already be a copper trunk
cable running down the street to service the neighbours, so nobody
would be 'laying new copper' down the street for that block of
land - just a new copper line from the house (once its built) to
the street to connect in to the nearest junction pit, just like
any new house in the pre-NBN days. <br>
<br>
I think the bit about FTTP being preferred for new homes applies
to large property developments of 100 dwellings or more. <br>
<br>
This is actually the sort of query that NBN's call centre should
be able to answer, since she can't go through a RSP as she hasn't
got the property or ordered a service yet. <a href="tel:1800%20687%20626" value="+611800687626" target="_blank">(1800 687 626</a>)<br>
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Paul.<span><br>
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On 21/03/2018 5:13 PM, Ken Sayers wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">My daughter is looking to buy a vacant block
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;display:inline">of land
in Foster Victoria and build a house on it. Foster is pretty
strange in that large parts of the town seem to be on NBN
Fixed Wireless and other parts on FTTN, but if she builds a
new house I understand, according to the NBN website, that
FTTP is the preferred technology to build. It would seem
pretty dumb to lay new copper in order to provide FTTN when
my daughter will probably not want a landline phone. </div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">It
would be cheaper to just say 'connect via fixed wireless'
but looking at Street View it looks like the fixed wireless
tower is hidden behind trees.</span></div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;display:inline">Is this
what is likely to happen, that NBN Co run a dedicated fibre
from the closest node to the new house? </div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;display:inline">Any
tips appreciated.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;display:inline">Regards
Ken Sayers</div>
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<div dir="ltr">On Mon., 19 Mar. 2018, 22:57 Jason Leschnik,
<<a href="mailto:jason@leschnik.me" target="_blank">jason@leschnik.me</a>> wrote:<br>
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<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">So
George, make sure that fee gets paid as it makes the
NBN look $300<br>
cheaper than it actually is.<br>
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<div>The whole NBN debate has always confused me.
Without offsetting the cost how would either
Government have afforded the NBN? The bill shock
from $300 NDF is annoying to say the least but I've
spent >$300 on some pretty stupid things in my
life and I'm sure there are others who would've paid
a lot more than $300 to get FTTP/FTTN. </div>
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