<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">You’re talking about a government that plans to remove the UK from the EU with a sledgehammer. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">They effectively lost an unlosable election.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Now it’s Corey Bernadi style conservative politics until the next early election.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">jsl</div><br class=""><div class="">
<div class="">John Lindsay</div><div class=""><a href="mailto:johnslindsay@mac.com" class="">johnslindsay@mac.com</a></div><div class="">+61403577711</div>
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 13 Jun 2017, at 5:42 pm, Martin Hepworth <<a href="mailto:maxsec@gmail.com" class="">maxsec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">We'll see how it does once they get to use WhatsApp like the UK Conservative Party and realise the political fallout if the newpapers are able to break this along with the voicemail!<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">-- <br class="">Martin Hepworth, CISSP<br class="">Oxford, UK</div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2017 at 08:57, Nathanael Bettridge <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:nathanael@prodigy.com.au" target="_blank" class="">nathanael@prodigy.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<div class="m_2989709852010076629WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">That’s the most terrifying line in his speech tbh. The privacy of someone who has not been found guilty of a crime should only be overridden
by a judge, considering all the factors.<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class="">Also,
<a href="https://xkcd.com/538/" target="_blank" class="">https://xkcd.com/538/</a> comes to mind </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:#1f497d" class="">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><span id="cid:image001.png@01D2E46E.8005B980"><image001.png></span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d" class=""><u class=""></u> <u class=""></u></span></p>
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<b class="">On Behalf Of </b>Phillip Grasso<br class="">
<b class="">Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 June 2017 5:34 PM<br class="">
<b class="">To:</b> Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank" class="">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>><br class="">
<b class="">Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" class="">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br class="">
<b class="">Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Government intends to pass TSSR this parliament<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">"<span style="font-size: 10.5pt; font-family: 'Trebuchet MS', sans-serif;" class="">The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety. Never."</span><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Is it a question of privacy or cost? The means exist to decrypt, its just more expensive. <u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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<div class=""><p class="MsoNormal">On 13 June 2017 at 00:16, Mark Newton <<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank" class="">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>> wrote:<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm" class=""><p class="MsoNormal">Brandis: "Trust me, we only want the envelope, not the content."<br class="">
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<David Speers interviews him to see what that actually means, everybody laughs><br class="">
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Brandis: "Actually, we want the content too."<br class="">
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<span class="m_2989709852010076629hoenzb"> - mark</span></span><br class="">
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<span class="m_2989709852010076629im">On 06/13/2017 04:16 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:</span><span class="m_2989709852010076629im"><u class=""></u><u class=""></u></span></p>
<blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm" class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><a href="https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-06-13/national-security-statement" target="_blank" class="">https://www.pm.gov.au/media/<wbr class="">2017-06-13/national-security-<wbr class="">statement</a><br class="">
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Also includes the usual BS about breaking encryption in the name of<br class="">
national security, aka the war on maths.<br class="">
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"However encrypted messaging applications are also used by criminals and<br class="">
terrorists - at the moment much of this traffic is difficult for our<br class="">
security agencies to decrypt, and indeed for our Five Eyes partners as<br class="">
well.<br class="">
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Most of the major platforms of this kind are based in the United States<br class="">
where a strong libertarian tradition resists Government access to private<br class="">
communications as the FBI found when Apple would not help unlock the<br class="">
iPhone of the dead San Bernardino terrorist.<br class="">
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The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety.<br class="">
Never."<u class=""></u><u class=""></u></p>
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