<div dir="ltr"><div><div>When we talk of Privacy as a fundamental principle of democracy since the days of Magna Carta, we need to put that in context. <br><br>Firstly, we need to recognise the authority of the State is necessary for security and freedom. <br><br>Secondly, to a large but not (Josef Fritzl) extent, what you do in your basement is no one else's business. But internet traffic crosses property boundaries, into the public space, and the carriage of that traffic in the public space is through licensed carriers. <br><br>Thirdly, it would be negligent of governments to simply cede the cyber domain to the crooks, crazies, and creeps. The internet is going to be regulated, and its necessary for good government and public order that that be the case. <br><br>Sooner or later, crypto is going to be regulated and you'll need to license private keys in escrow. That this isn't already the case is simply the fault of legislation failing to keep pace with technology.<br><br></div>Kind regards<br><br></div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2017 at 19:11, Robert Hudson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com" target="_blank">hudrob@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">It is expensive in many ways - to achieve near-real time interception and decryption (in-flight or at-rest) basically requires the keys. Elsewise it can't be achieved in a suitably short time.</div><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 Jun. 2017 5:34 pm, "Phillip Grasso" <<a href="mailto:phillip.grasso@gmail.com" target="_blank">phillip.grasso@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">"<span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:"PT Sans","Trebuchet MS",Helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:14px">The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety. Never."</span><div><br></div><div>Is it a question of privacy or cost? The means exist to decrypt, its just more expensive. </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 13 June 2017 at 00:16, Mark Newton <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:newton@atdot.dotat.org" target="_blank">newton@atdot.dotat.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Brandis: "Trust me, we only want the envelope, not the content."<br>
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Brandis: "Actually, we want the content too."<br>
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On 06/13/2017 04:16 PM, James Andrewartha wrote:<br>
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<a href="https://www.pm.gov.au/media/2017-06-13/national-security-statement" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.pm.gov.au/media/20<wbr>17-06-13/national-security-sta<wbr>tement</a><br>
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Also includes the usual BS about breaking encryption in the name of<br>
national security, aka the war on maths.<br>
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"However encrypted messaging applications are also used by criminals and<br>
terrorists - at the moment much of this traffic is difficult for our<br>
security agencies to decrypt, and indeed for our Five Eyes partners as<br>
well.<br>
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Most of the major platforms of this kind are based in the United States<br>
where a strong libertarian tradition resists Government access to private<br>
communications as the FBI found when Apple would not help unlock the<br>
iPhone of the dead San Bernardino terrorist.<br>
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The privacy of a terrorist can never be more important than public safety.<br>
Never."<br>
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