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<body><div>I think you'll probably find that they'd have to make a big show of any reporting of a breach of metadata given they're under so much scrutiny - better to say that you've cleaned up processes than have to deal with the aftermath of failing to keep such a thing under wraps when it does get leaked. <br></div>
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<div>On Fri, 28 Apr 2017, at 16:59, Brad Gould wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">I thought that the "breach" was that the AFP had, inadvertently,
captured metadata about a Journalist, and that the active TIA warrant they were
working under did not have provision for such – as that is a special case per the Act
– a " Journalist Information Warrant".</span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">The warrant was for an AFP officer's communication, who happened to call
a Journalist and therefor triggered a "breach".</span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">It would seem that it is hard to know, either in advance, or without examining
the historical call records, who someone would call or has called.</span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Given there was an AFP press conference about it, with the Commissioner
no less (and not just a media release) I'm thinking that AFP are currently
lobbying for further change to the TIA Act to make this accidental collection
legal.</span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><br></p></div>
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<div defang_data-gmailquote="yes"><div>On 28 April 2017 at 15:53, <a href="mailto:paul%2Bausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote defang_data-gmailquote="yes" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-AU"><div><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">This hasn’t got anything to do with metadata or data retention, it’s to do with the interception act, which needs a warrant, perhaps they should have just used the DR regulations and they wouldn’t have all the fuss LOL.<u></u><u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">I wonder who the carrier was that released the information without a warrant, I wouldn’t want to be them now either.<u></u><u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Paul<u></u><u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr>ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>James Gray<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 April 2017 4:19 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a></span></span></p><div><div><div><br></div>
<div><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata breach. No, it can't be true.<u></u><u></u><br></div>
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<p><br></p><div><div><p><u></u> <u></u><br></p><div><p>Here's the official media release from the AFP:<u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p><a href="https://www.afp.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/afp-reports-breach-tia-act-commonwealth-ombudsman">https://www.afp.gov.au/news-<wbr>media/media-releases/afp-<wbr>reports-breach-tia-act-<wbr>commonwealth-ombudsman</a><u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><p>Cheers,<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><p>James<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><p><u></u> <u></u><br></p><div><p>On 28 April 2017 at 16:17, <a href="mailto:paul%2Bausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.<wbr>com.au</a> <<a href="mailto:paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.<wbr>com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u><br></p><div><div><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">True, not a public breach, just a breach by an organisation that should be able to be trusted……</span></span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">Paul</span></span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><div><div style="border-right-width:initial;border-bottom-width:initial;border-left-width:initial;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-left-style:none;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-left-color:initial;border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;border-top-width:1pt;border-top-style:solid;border-top-color:rgb(181, 196, 223);padding-top:3pt;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:0cm;"><p><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr>ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Tim Raphael<br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 April 2017 4:11 PM<br><b>To:</b> Nick Pratley<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Metadata breach. No, it can't be true.</span></span><u></u><u></u></p></div>
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<div><div><p> <u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p>Depends, <u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><p>This wasn’t a public breach… I guess it depends on how the breach laws classify it as such.<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><p>- Tim<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<p> <u></u><u></u><br></p><div><blockquote style="margin-top:5pt;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><p>On 28 Apr 2017, at 4:06 pm, Nick Pratley <<a href="mailto:nick.pratley@serversaustralia.com.au">nick.pratley@<wbr>serversaustralia.com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
<p> <u></u><u></u><br></p><div><div><p>Wouldn't they have to notify the party under the new data breach laws, or am I reading that wrong?<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><div><p><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(34, 34, 34)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"> Regards,</span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<p> <u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p>On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:48 PM, Angelo Giuffrida <<a href="mailto:angelo.giuffrida@gmail.com">angelo.giuffrida@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p><a href="http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-04-28/afp-officer-accessed-journalists-call-records-in-metadata-breach/8480804">http://www.abc.net.au/news/<wbr>2017-04-28/afp-officer-<wbr>accessed-journalists-call-<wbr>records-in-metadata-breach/<wbr>8480804</a> for those playing at home.<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
<div><p> <u></u><u></u><br></p><div><div><div><p>On Fri, Apr 28, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Nathan Brookfield <<a href="mailto:Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.com.au">Nathan.Brookfield@simtronic.<wbr>com.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<blockquote style="border-top-width:initial;border-right-width:initial;border-bottom-width:initial;border-top-style:none;border-right-style:none;border-bottom-style:none;border-top-color:initial;border-right-color:initial;border-bottom-color:initial;border-image-source:initial;border-image-slice:initial;border-image-width:initial;border-image-outset:initial;border-image-repeat:initial;border-left-width:1pt;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);padding-top:0cm;padding-right:0cm;padding-bottom:0cm;padding-left:6pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5pt;"><div><div><div><div><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif">Metadata related to a journalist breached by the AFP without a warrant.</span><u></u><u></u><br></p><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u><br></p><div><div><div><p style="background-position: initial initial;"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></span><br></p></div>
<div><p style="background-position: initial initial;"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(31, 73, 125)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Kindest Regards,</span></span></span><u></u><u></u></span><br></p></div>
<div><p style="background-position: initial initial;"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(54, 95, 145)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Nathan Brookfield (VK2NAB)</span></span></span><u></u><u></u></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p style="background-position: initial initial;"><span class="highlight" style="background-color:white"><b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(54, 95, 145)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">Web</span></span></span></b><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(54, 95, 145)"><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">: <a href="http://www.simtronic.com.au/"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(54, 95, 145)">http://www.simtronic.com.<wbr>au</span></a> <b>|</b> <b>E-mail</b>: <a href="mailto:nathan.brookfield@simtronic.com.au"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(54, 95, 145)">nathan.<wbr>brookfield@simtronic.com.au</span></a></span></span></span><u></u><u></u></span><br></p></div>
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<div><p><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf of Mark Dignam <<a href="mailto:mark@innaloo.net">mark@innaloo.net</a>><br><b>Sent:</b> Friday, 28 April 2017 3:34 PM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] Metadata breach. No, it can't be true.</span></span><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u></p><div><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"> </span><u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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<div><div><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">No, we would never have guessed it would happen… </span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
<p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"><a href="https://twitter.com/SkyNewsAust/status/857824045416435714"><span class="colour" style="color:rgb(5, 99, 193)">https://twitter.com/<wbr>SkyNewsAust/status/<wbr>857824045416435714</span></a></span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
<p><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt"> </span></span><u></u><u></u><br></p><div><p><i><span class="font" style="font-family:Calibri, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:11pt">#BREAKING: The AFP will hold a news conference at 3.30pm AEST in what Sky News understands is in regards to a metadata breach</span></span></i><u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
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