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    <p>I think Telstra's biggest competitor is their own products (and
      their internal departments) - they don't want their cheaper SMB
      products to compete with their more expensive "corporate" grade
      products, so I'm pretty sure they arbitrarily restrict features
      that higher end clients would likely use, though may also be about
      having the staff on hand in the various areas to support it.<br>
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    <p>Damian<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/04/17 15:35, Damien Gardner Jnr
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">That's always been the way with TID.  First it was
        no BGP on dialup, then when ADSL came out, ADSL was excluded
        from it as well.  Now that NBN is here, it's the same.  The
        explanation they gave when I first enquired about it, in the
        dialup days, was it was a stability issue as PPP sessions may
        drop multiple times an hour, and get your prefixes blacklisted.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 24 April 2017 at 15:25, Joseph
          Goldman <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:joe@apcs.com.au" target="_blank">joe@apcs.com.au</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000"> I should also point
              out, the limitation of 'No NBN Tails' is a Telstra
              specific limitation, i.e. <b>Telstra</b> dont support BGP
              on any of <b>their</b> NBN tails, only on their more
              directly connected type of services such as Metro
              Ethernet.<br>
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              Thanks,<br>
              Joe
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                  <div class="m_-2205028471795195776moz-cite-prefix">On
                    24/04/17 14:39, Joseph Goldman wrote:<br>
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                  <blockquote type="cite">To those other providers
                    cold-calling me out of the blue that are an
                    UNRELATED service to what I was asking for, please
                    dont. <br>
                    <br>
                    I know what I want, I specifically want to talk to
                    Telstra corporate/retail/whoever about it. I dont
                    want to be pitched other products, otherwise I would
                    have asked. <br>
                    <br>
                    Unfortunately so far through a few contacts I've
                    gotten, it seems that BGP over NBN delivered
                    services are a no-go, i.e. I need to go their
                    version of Metro Ethernet or IP-Line or whatever
                    they prefer to call it. Unfortunately this
                    significantly increases the cost, kind of killing
                    the point of getting it on an NBN tail. <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks, <br>
                    Joe <br>
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                    On 24/04/17 09:24, Joseph Goldman wrote: <br>
                    <blockquote type="cite">Hi *, <br>
                      <br>
                       Does anyone have a good contact/account manager
                      for Telstra Internet Direct services? <br>
                      <br>
                       Looking to have a service delivered over NBN FTTP
                      - that allows BGP also. <br>
                      <br>
                       I've tried calling the local 'business center',
                      they had to refer it to corporate, who never got
                      back to me. <br>
                       I've tried calling the sales lines who have no
                      idea really what im talking about. <br>
                      <br>
                       Just appreciate a contact that I can get a solid
                      quote off who knows what kind of service I'm
                      actually after. <br>
                      <br>
                      Thanks, <br>
                      Joe <br>
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            <p>Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
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