<html><head></head><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:13px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12889"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12888">Yes, the ability to use TC2 for plans makes them a bit more "business like" (and they are typically priced as such). I'm also yet to find out how much better the "business SLA" on the business plans are.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12887"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12886"><span id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12885">AFAIK the "symmetrical" products are just the same speeds as the "normal" products but with poorer download speed to make the symmetrical (eg. a 40/40 service is really just a 100/40 with the 100m down shaped to 40m down, likewise a 100/100 service on fibre is only a 250/100 shaped down). That's just my belief though, whether the shaping is being done by the wholesale provider or NBN doesn't really matter.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12986"><span><br></span></div><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12850"><br></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12782"><br><br></div><div class="yahoo_quoted" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12663" style="display: block;"> <div style="font-family: Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12662"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12661"> <div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12660"> <font size="2" face="Arial" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12659"> <hr size="1" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_13143"> <b id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_13145"><span style="font-weight:bold;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_13144">From:</span></b> Ryan Tucker <rtucker09@gmail.com><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Nathanael Bettridge <nathanael@prodigy.com.au>; Nick Stallman <nick@agentpoint.com>; "paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au" <paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au>; "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Friday, 7 April 2017, 11:06<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN real Business Plans<br> </font> </div> <div class="y_msg_container" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12978"><br><div id="yiv9286273182"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12977"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12982">An ISP we deal with has just started offering 'business' NBN plans. What makes them business plans is that they're delivered over Traffic Class 2 (TC-2), so have a guaranteed CIR, and they're symmetric.<br clear="none"><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12984"><br clear="none"></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12983">It's a very new service so I don't have too many details, but the prices we were quoted were similar to what you'd expect to pay for EFM for the same bandwidth.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12981"><br clear="none"></div></div><br clear="none"><div class="yiv9286273182gmail_quote" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12976"><div class="yiv9286273182yqt6456536674" id="yiv9286273182yqtfd65558"><div dir="ltr" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12979">On Fri, 7 Apr 2017 at 10:59 Nathanael Bettridge <<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:nathanael@prodigy.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:nathanael@prodigy.com.au" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12980">nathanael@prodigy.com.au</a>> wrote:<br clear="none"></div><blockquote class="yiv9286273182gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12975">
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12972"><span class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg" style="color:#1f497d;" id="yui_3_16_0_ym19_1_1491543190023_12971">Any idea if they’re actually symmetric or just Skymesh shaping asymmetric consumer plans?<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg"><b class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"><span class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg" lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;">From:</span></b><span class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg" lang="EN-US" style="color:windowtext;"> AusNOG [mailto:<a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg" ymailto="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">On Behalf Of </b>Nick Stallman<br clear="none" class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">
<b class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">Sent:</b> Friday, 7 April 2017 10:29 AM<br clear="none" class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">
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<b class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN real Business Plans<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></span></div>
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<div class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">SkyMesh has symmetric plans - 100/100 and 200/200.<br clear="none" class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg">
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;">I doubt they are business grade in the sense of SLA and contention however but if you need the upload speed that's what you'd go for.<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">On 07/04/17 10:22, <a rel="nofollow" shape="rect" class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg" ymailto="mailto:paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au" target="_blank" href="mailto:paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au">
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">Hi All, just wondering if anybody out there is selling true business plans from NBN and not a normal plan sold as a business plans ?<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">I am trying to get a feel for what prices these plans are going for but everybody who advertises NBN Business plans are just selling the standard plans.<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">The reason I know this is because a true NBN business plan is same speed up and down, according to NBN doco anyway.<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">Maybe nobody is selling them, perhaps NBN haven’t still released them yet, but we have some clients wanting a proper business grade solution and are asking about pricing for these plans but I can’t find anything to compare with.<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
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<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">Thanks<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
<div class="yiv9286273182MsoNormal yiv9286273182gmail_msg">Paul<u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u><u class="yiv9286273182gmail_msg"></u></div>
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