<div dir="ltr">I'm not sure why you would make that IP publicly available (routeable) outside your own network if it is just what your Customer facing DNS servers are pointing blocked records to. And then in that case, exactly how much DDOS bandwidth do you think internet attackers can drum up on the Telstra network? Even if it was a sizeable amount, Telstra can take their own action to stop those end points from participating in the attack directly. <div><br></div><div>--Damian</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:05 PM, Bradley Amm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com" target="_blank">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">That will be a DDOS target soon<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Mark Sergeant<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 December 2016 11:52 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Keating; Mark Andrews; Narelle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a></span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">101.167.166.53<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">which serves that page for any request that may hit it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Cheers,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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</span></b><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.<wbr>net</a>> on behalf of Michael Keating <<a href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com" target="_blank">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, 20 December 2016 at 14:47<br>
<b>To: </b>Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a>>, Narelle <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc: </b>"<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">For what it's worth, Telstra have a block on The Pirate Bay already. <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 at 1:27 pm, Narelle <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com" target="_blank">narellec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">duh s/reasonable/unreasonable <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-GB">You can bet your bottom dollar that the ISPs in question will be arguing that anything beyond certain basic steps with basic equipment would be UNreasonable. The cost to comply is set at $50 per domain name so that must
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