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<body><div>The court said to one or more of DNS or IP block, the wording was pretty vague.<br></div>
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<div>James</div>
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<div>On Tue, 20 Dec 2016, at 11:43, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Didn't the court order specifically say they were to do DNS blocking? Why are there articles suggesting they are going to block cloudflare? Just for shock value?<br></div>
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<div defang_data-gmailquote="yes"><div>On 20 December 2016 at 12:42, Bradley Amm <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>></span> wrote:<br></div>
<blockquote defang_data-gmailquote="yes" style="margin-top:0px;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:0px;margin-left:0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204, 204, 204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div lang="EN-AU"><div><p><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><a href="https://www.playerattack.com/news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pirate-bay-ban-massive-collateral-damage/">https://www.playerattack.com/<wbr>news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-<wbr>pirate-bay-ban-massive-<wbr>collateral-damage/</a><u></u><u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><span class="colour" style="color:black"><span class="font" style="font-family:Arial, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></span></span><br></p><p><b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt">From:</span></span></b><span class="font" style="font-family:Tahoma, sans-serif"><span class="size" style="font-size:10pt"> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr>ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Dixon<br> <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 December 2016 7:23 AM<br> <b>To:</b> Chris Ford</span></span></p><div><div><div><br></div>
<div><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br></div>
<div> <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules<u></u><u></u><br></div>
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<p><br></p><div><div><p><u></u> <u></u><br></p><div><p>i love that the byproduct of this court case is a comprehensive list of all the good torrent sites and mirrors.<u></u><u></u><br></p></div>
<div><p><u></u> <u></u><br></p><div><p>On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Chris Ford <<a href="mailto:chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au">chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au</a><wbr>> wrote:<u></u><u></u><br></p><p style="margin-bottom:12pt;"><div>I've been following this here <a href="https://s115a.com/cases/current"> https://s115a.com/cases/<wbr>current</a><br></div>
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<div> From my skim of the lists the respondents to the actions all roll up to Telstra, Optus, Vocus or TPG). I didn't see any independent ISPs listed. So unless you are a group company of the Big 4 you won’t be a recipient of the orders, and if you are, I'm sure
you are already well aware of what is going on.<br></div>
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<div> <span>From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr>ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Newton</span><br></div>
<div> <span>Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 2:41 PM</span><br></div>
<div> <span>To: Ross Wheeler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net">ausnog@rossw.net</a>></span><br></div>
<div> <span>Cc: <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a></span><br></div>
<div> <span>Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules</span><u></u><u></u><br></div>
</p><div><div><p><div>On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Ross Wheeler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net">ausnog@rossw.net</a>> wrote:<br></div>
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<div> > On Thu, 15 Dec 2016, Nathan Brookfield wrote:<br></div>
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<div> >> The Federal Court has ordered internet companies to block five copyright-infringing websites, including torrent website The Pirate Bay.<br></div>
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<div> > So, the next questions are:<br></div>
<div> > * who tells us ISPs officially, what we have to block?<br></div>
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<div> A court order.<br></div>
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<div> > * when do they tell us.<br></div>
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<div> After you have been named as a respondent in a Federal Court action, and been presented with an order.<br></div>
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<div> > * does it only apply to the big-few, or everyone?<br></div>
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<div> It applies to everyone who is named as a respondent in a Federal Court action under s115a and has subsequently received a court order.<br></div>
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<div> > * if the previous answer is "everyone", who do we bill,<br></div>
<div> > and do we have to "trust them" that it'll be paid, or can<br></div>
<div> > we just send them the bill and not do anything until it is?<br></div>
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<div> The previous answer isn’t “everyone.” You bill the claimant. The payment conditions will be in the court order.<br></div>
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<div> > The phrase "tilting at windmills" springs to mind.<br></div>
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<div> Yes, pointless exercise. Training Australians to use evasion methods; once they’re doing that, further enforcement action is ineffective, so driving them in that direction is practically indistinguishable from saying, “Meh, don’t care anymore.”<br></div>
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<div> The overwhelming response I’ve seen to yesterday’s action is, “LOL.” I’m encouraged by that.<br></div>
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