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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Didn’t they say it was the ISP choice of how they wanted to implement it
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> James Hodgkinson [mailto:yaleman@ricetek.net]
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 December 2016 9:56 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The court said to one or more of DNS or IP block, the wording was pretty vague.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 20 Dec 2016, at 11:43, Damien Gardner Jnr wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Didn't the court order specifically say they were to do DNS blocking? Why are there articles suggesting they are going to block cloudflare? Just for shock value?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 20 December 2016 at 12:42, Bradley Amm <<a href="mailto:brad@bradleyamm.com">brad@bradleyamm.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span class="size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="https://www.playerattack.com/news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pirate-bay-ban-massive-collateral-damage/">https://www.playerattack.com/news/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pirate-bay-ban-massive-collateral-damage/</a></span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span class="size"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b></span><span class="size"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Dixon</span></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""><br>
<span class="size"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 December 2016 7:23 AM</span><br>
<span class="size"><b>To:</b> Chris Ford</span></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>i love that the byproduct of this court case is a comprehensive list of all the good torrent sites and mirrors.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM, Chris Ford <<a href="mailto:chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au">chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I've been following this here <a href="https://s115a.com/cases/current">
https://s115a.com/cases/current</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From my skim of the lists the respondents to the actions all roll up to Telstra, Optus, Vocus or TPG). I didn't see any independent ISPs listed. So unless you are a group company of the Big 4 you won’t be a recipient of the orders, and
if you are, I'm sure you are already well aware of what is going on.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Mark Newton<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Sent: Friday, 16 December 2016 2:41 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">To: Ross Wheeler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net">ausnog@rossw.net</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Dec 15, 2016, at 4:56 PM, Ross Wheeler <<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net">ausnog@rossw.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">>> The Federal Court has ordered internet companies to block five copyright-infringing websites, including torrent website The Pirate Bay.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> So, the next questions are:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> * who tells us ISPs officially, what we have to block?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> * when do they tell us.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">After you have been named as a respondent in a Federal Court action, and been presented with an order.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> * does it only apply to the big-few, or everyone?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">It applies to everyone who is named as a respondent in a Federal Court action under s115a and has subsequently received a court order.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> * if the previous answer is "everyone", who do we bill,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> and do we have to "trust them" that it'll be paid, or can<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> we just send them the bill and not do anything until it is?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The previous answer isn’t “everyone.” You bill the claimant. The payment conditions will be in the court order.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">> The phrase "tilting at windmills" springs to mind.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes, pointless exercise. Training Australians to use evasion methods; once they’re doing that, further enforcement action is ineffective, so driving them in that direction is practically indistinguishable from saying, “Meh, don’t care anymore.”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The overwhelming response I’ve seen to yesterday’s action is, “LOL.” I’m encouraged by that.<o:p></o:p></p>
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