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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Michael Keating<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 December 2016 11:47 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Mark Andrews; Narelle<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Internet companies forced to block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent websites in Australia, Federal Court rules<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it's worth, Telstra have a block on The Pirate Bay already. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Regards,<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 at 1:27 pm, Narelle <<a href="mailto:narellec@gmail.com">narellec@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">duh s/reasonable/unreasonable<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can bet your bottom dollar that the ISPs in question will be arguing that anything beyond certain basic steps with basic equipment would be UNreasonable. The cost to comply is set at $50 per domain name so that must give you an indication
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 2:25 PM, Narelle <span class="gmailmsg">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 1:47 PM, Mark Andrews <span class="gmailmsg">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Then the applicant will have to go back to the court and make the claim that the respondents were not complying with the order to "<span class="gmailmsg"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">take reasonable steps to disable access</span></span>".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">You can bet your bottom dollar that the ISPs in question will be arguing that anything beyond certain basic steps with basic equipment would be UNreasonable. The cost to comply is set at $50 per domain name so that must give you an indication
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it requires doing incredibly difficult stuff on every single piece of network with specialised equipment and highly expert engineering staff, then it might no longer be reasonable. Where the line beneath that falls, I couldn't tell.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Either way I think I see a mole in that hole over there...<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And none of this includes the analysis of the almost but not quite rolling injunctions. What makes one "web site" the same as another torrenting file store?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">*disclaimer* IANAL and I own all the seasons of GoT I've ever watched. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">happy silly season<o:p></o:p></p>
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