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    <p>You could if you announced the /32 internally and had your own
      server set up for the IP?</p>
    <p>I wonder if a ISP (e.g. TPG) could be vindictive enough to make
      the court's decision backfire deliberately?<br>
      E.g. deliberately block the Cloudflare IP in line with the court's
      recommendation, not bending the rules at all but doing it with the
      intention that it'll affect other Cloudflare users and cause
      headlines against the court decision?</p>
    <p>Just like ASIC back-pedalled very quickly when it was exposed
      that they blocked thousands of sites instead of just one.</p>
    <p>The only thing stopping it is ISP's actually choosing to not
      affect other Cloudflare users. The court decision allows for the
      worst case.<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 20/12/16 13:06, Paul Wilkins wrote:<br>
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              <div>Furthermore, there is a requirement that blocked
                websites be redirected to a server displaying a
                notification of the block.<br>
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              So though IP blocking is mentioned in the court order as
              an available option, you cannot in fact comply in full
              with the court order via an IP blocking mechanism.<br>
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            I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion.<br>
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          Kind regards<br>
          <br>
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        Paul Wilkins<br>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 December 2016 at 12:59, Paul
          Wilkins <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                    <div>The ISP parties to the judgement have a choice,
                      block by IP, DNS, or URI.<br>
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                    Now no one is going to block by URI or IP, when they
                    can redirect from their DNS server. There is no
                    responsibility to block DNS from 3rd party servers.<br>
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                  I am not a lawyer. This is not expert opinion.<br>
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                Kind regards<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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              <span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Paul Wilkins<br>
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                  <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 December 2016 at 12:43,
                    Damien Gardner Jnr <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                      <div dir="ltr">Didn't the court order specifically
                        say they were to do DNS blocking?  Why are there
                        articles suggesting they are going to block
                        cloudflare?  Just for shock value?</div>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 20 December 2016
                              at 12:42, Bradley Amm <span dir="ltr"><<a
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                                          target="_blank">https://www.playerattack.com/n<wbr>ews/2016/12/16/92893/aussie-pi<wbr>rate-bay-ban-massive-collatera<wbr>l-damage/</a></span></p>
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                                    <p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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                                          lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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                                        lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a
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                                          target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.a<wbr>usnog.net</a>]
                                        <b>On Behalf Of </b>Jay Dixon<br>
                                        <b>Sent:</b> Monday, 19 December
                                        2016 7:23 AM<br>
                                        <b>To:</b> Chris Ford</span></p>
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                                        <b>Cc:</b> <a
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                                        <b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG]
                                        Internet companies forced to
                                        block The Pirate Bay, bittorrent
                                        websites in Australia, Federal
                                        Court rules</div>
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                                          <p class="MsoNormal">i love
                                            that the byproduct of this
                                            court case is a
                                            comprehensive list of all
                                            the good torrent sites and
                                            mirrors.</p>
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                                            <p class="MsoNormal">On Mon,
                                              Dec 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM,
                                              Chris Ford <<a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="mailto:chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au"
                                                target="_blank">chris.ford@inaboxgroup.com.au</a><wbr>>
                                              wrote:</p>
                                            <p class="MsoNormal"
                                              style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I've
                                              been following this here <a
                                                moz-do-not-send="true"
                                                href="https://s115a.com/cases/current"
                                                target="_blank">
https://s115a.com/cases/curren<wbr>t</a><br>
                                              <br>
                                              From my skim of the lists
                                              the respondents to the
                                              actions all roll up to
                                              Telstra, Optus, Vocus or
                                              TPG). I didn't see any
                                              independent ISPs listed.
                                              So unless you are a group
                                              company of the Big 4 you
                                              won’t be a recipient of
                                              the orders, and if you
                                              are, I'm sure you are
                                              already well aware of what
                                              is going on.<br>
                                              <br>
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                                                On Behalf Of Mark Newton</span><br>
                                              <span
class="m_8995524288480601038m_-9051833280810961704m_-8648595327393378564im">Sent:
                                                Friday, 16 December 2016
                                                2:41 PM</span><br>
                                              <span
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                                                Ross Wheeler <<a
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                                              <span
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                                                Re: [AusNOG] Internet
                                                companies forced to
                                                block The Pirate Bay,
                                                bittorrent websites in
                                                Australia, Federal Court
                                                rules</span></p>
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                                                <p class="MsoNormal">On
                                                  Dec 15, 2016, at 4:56
                                                  PM, Ross Wheeler <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net" target="_blank">ausnog@rossw.net</a>>
                                                  wrote:<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > On Thu, 15 Dec
                                                  2016, Nathan
                                                  Brookfield wrote:<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  >> The Federal
                                                  Court has ordered
                                                  internet companies to
                                                  block five
                                                  copyright-infringing
                                                  websites, including
                                                  torrent website The
                                                  Pirate Bay.<br>
                                                  ><br>
                                                  > So, the next
                                                  questions are:<br>
                                                  > * who tells us
                                                  ISPs officially, what
                                                  we have to block?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  A court order.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  > * when do they
                                                  tell us.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  After you have been
                                                  named as a respondent
                                                  in a Federal Court
                                                  action, and been
                                                  presented with an
                                                  order.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  > * does it only
                                                  apply to the big-few,
                                                  or everyone?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  It applies to everyone
                                                  who is named as a
                                                  respondent in a
                                                  Federal Court action
                                                  under s115a and has
                                                  subsequently received
                                                  a court order.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  > * if the previous
                                                  answer is "everyone",
                                                  who do we bill,<br>
                                                  >   and do we have
                                                  to "trust them" that
                                                  it'll be paid, or can<br>
                                                  >   we just send
                                                  them the bill and not
                                                  do anything until it
                                                  is?<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The previous answer
                                                  isn’t “everyone.” You
                                                  bill the claimant. The
                                                  payment conditions
                                                  will be in the court
                                                  order.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  > The phrase
                                                  "tilting at windmills"
                                                  springs to mind.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  Yes, pointless
                                                  exercise. Training
                                                  Australians to use
                                                  evasion methods; once
                                                  they’re doing that,
                                                  further enforcement
                                                  action is ineffective,
                                                  so driving them in
                                                  that direction is
                                                  practically
                                                  indistinguishable from
                                                  saying, “Meh, don’t
                                                  care anymore.”<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                  The overwhelming
                                                  response I’ve seen to
                                                  yesterday’s action is,
                                                  “LOL.” I’m encouraged
                                                  by that.<br>
                                                  <br>
                                                     - mark<br>
                                                  <br>
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