Whilst I'm sure all that is in jest, I believe those sorts of measures whilst not explicitly defined by the act could be seen obstruction of justice.<br><br>Then again I'm no lawyer, personally this whole act is very convoluted and murky.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu., 17 Nov. 2016 at 5:15 am, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve%2Bausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">No problems. Give them what they ask....<br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">- but given there is no specific timeframe in which to responsd.... maybe 72+ hours after they ask. Keep telling the officer 'it shouldn't be too long' every 30 minutes and tell him he is free to sleep their till the morning, but not to move much if you have a security system of big dog.</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">- provide it in another language... maybe Swahili or Swedish Chef - but in a hexdump</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">- print it on paper... a pallet worth and suggest that what he needs is 'probably in their somewhere'</div><div class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_msg">- they say the data must be encrypted (s187BA(a)). They don't say it needs to be decrypted when you give it to them<br class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">Btw... here is the full Act. <a href="https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00889" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://www.legislation.gov.au/Details/C2016C00889</a><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg">Fun times.<br clear="all" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div class="m_-7368250955284670918gmail_signature gmail_msg" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="gmail_msg"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg">...Skeeve</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="gmail_msg"><br class="gmail_msg"></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_msg"><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri" class="gmail_msg">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div class="gmail_msg"><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri" class="gmail_msg">Email: </span><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg"> ; Web: </span><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">eintellegonetworks.com</a></div><div class="gmail_msg"><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px" class="gmail_msg">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; S<a class="gmail_msg">kype: skeeve ; </a>LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">Profile</a> ; Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_extra gmail_msg">
<br class="gmail_msg"><div class="gmail_quote gmail_msg">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:13 PM, Ross Wheeler <span dir="ltr" class="gmail_msg"><<a href="mailto:ausnog@rossw.net" class="gmail_msg" target="_blank">ausnog@rossw.net</a>></span> wrote:<br class="gmail_msg"><blockquote class="gmail_quote gmail_msg" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br class="gmail_msg">
Had a call a short while back... I think I've got the details right, but I sure hope I've got something wrong....<br class="gmail_msg">
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ISP had a senior constable come in with a request for data.<br class="gmail_msg">
Request had been signed by said senior constable.<br class="gmail_msg">
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As I understand the (meta)data retention legislation, a request has to be signed by a senior officer (commissioner or thereabouts), or a minister etc.<br class="gmail_msg">
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I suggested to the ISP that I thought the request was not valid but to check it with the CAC. Had a call back a while later that basically the ACMA said to honour the request, and that if there was a problem "it would be caught in the audit later".<br class="gmail_msg">
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This scares the pants off me.... if we're being told to just give the data out to low-level shitkickers with no senior level oversight or control, there's going to be no end of vexatious queries, fishing expeditions and trivial requests. Who's going to get banged up if we disclose private information that turns out (later) to have been given incorrectly? How will the damage to affected person(s) be undone?<br class="gmail_msg">
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A highly, HIGHLY dangerous precedent. (This was a smaller non-metro ISP in a fairly out-of-the-way part of the world, perhaps for the very reason that if it blows up in their face they can hide it more effectively than if it was a large, highly visible isp).<br class="gmail_msg">
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