<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I would be recommending that you seek legal advice before complying if you’re unhappy with the circumstances of the request.<div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 Nov. 2016, at 12:28 pm, Ross Tsolakidis <<a href="mailto:ross@dataexpress.net.au" class="">ross@dataexpress.net.au</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Any chance you could share the type of information they requested ?<br class=""></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><br class=""></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif">Ross.</div><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)" class=""></span><br class="webkit-block-placeholder"></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:23 PM, <a href="mailto:paul%2Bausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au" class="">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au</a> <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au" target="_blank" class="">paul+ausnog@oxygennetworks.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Doesn't sound much different to what we were probably all expecting really Ross, from memory even the councils were wanting access......<br class="">
I just hope the said ISP got the details of who at CAC or ACMA gave that OK and they got it in writing.<br class="">
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We had a request a few weeks ago, the data they were looking for didn't match anything we were needing to retain so I told them we didn't have it, either way though we didn't have it nor did we need to keep it, but I never heard anything back from them.<br class="">
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Regards<br class="">
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class="">Paul<br class="">
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From: AusNOG [mailto:<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" class="">ausnog-bounces@lists.<wbr class="">ausnog.net</a>] On Behalf Of Ross Wheeler<br class="">
Sent: Wednesday, 16 November 2016 3:13 PM<br class="">
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Subject: [AusNOG] Data Retention - are you kidding me??<br class="">
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Had a call a short while back... I think I've got the details right, but I sure hope I've got something wrong....<br class="">
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ISP had a senior constable come in with a request for data.<br class="">
Request had been signed by said senior constable.<br class="">
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As I understand the (meta)data retention legislation, a request has to be<br class="">
signed by a senior officer (commissioner or thereabouts), or a minister<br class="">
etc.<br class="">
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I suggested to the ISP that I thought the request was not valid but to<br class="">
check it with the CAC. Had a call back a while later that basically the<br class="">
ACMA said to honour the request, and that if there was a problem "it would<br class="">
be caught in the audit later".<br class="">
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This scares the pants off me.... if we're being told to just give the data<br class="">
out to low-level shitkickers with no senior level oversight or control,<br class="">
there's going to be no end of vexatious queries, fishing expeditions and<br class="">
trivial requests. Who's going to get banged up if we disclose private<br class="">
information that turns out (later) to have been given incorrectly? How<br class="">
will the damage to affected person(s) be undone?<br class="">
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A highly, HIGHLY dangerous precedent. (This was a smaller non-metro ISP in<br class="">
a fairly out-of-the-way part of the world, perhaps for the very reason<br class="">
that if it blows up in their face they can hide it more effectively than<br class="">
if it was a large, highly visible isp).<br class="">
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R.<br class="">
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