<div dir="ltr">That's my point.<div><br></div><div>Paying Ransomware people should be the last options, but it is still an option.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>...Skeeve</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Email: </span><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"> ; Web: </span><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank">eintellegonetworks.com</a></div><div><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; S<a>kype: skeeve ; </a>LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank">Profile</a> ; Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Matt Smee <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:m.smee@unsw.edu.au" target="_blank">m.smee@unsw.edu.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">To those who think paying for the ransomware is a bad thing, let me ask you: is it wrong to pay for it if the data it unlocks may save
someone’s life, at say…a hospital?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><a href="https://www.wired.com/2016/03/ransomware-why-hospitals-are-the-perfect-targets/" target="_blank">https://www.wired.com/2016/03/<wbr>ransomware-why-hospitals-are-<wbr>the-perfect-targets/</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1f497d">The reality is yes there should be backups/DR and ideally yes you shouldn’t encourage criminal behaviour, but in the real world business
continuity or the greater good come before our simplistic moral ideals.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Wilkins<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 24 September 2016 2:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Ransomware...<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Well I think part of the problem is that businesses have been conned into investing billion of dollars into the internet, on the false premise that the IP model was capable of delivering a safe and secure commercial
environment. While neglecting that the internet was built to facilitate open communication, that the architecture was necessarily a compromise of openness for security, and no one anticipated that state operators would make the internet a domain for undermining
Western economies, or that the consequent profits would bankroll the exercise. All the security products on the market are a band aid patch, which won't fix the fundamental problem of delivering end to end security. That's only going to happen when and if
there is a complete rethink of the internet architecture, and replacement of IP with a network protocol that can deliver end to end security. Which is to say, we have years to look forward to of high profile hacks and finger pointing.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 September 2016 at 14:09, grenville armitage <<a href="mailto:garmitage@swin.edu.au" target="_blank">garmitage@swin.edu.au</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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On 09/24/2016 10:21, Robert Hudson wrote:<br>
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Paying a criminal a ransom when they have carried out an illegal act is legitimising the business model.<u></u><u></u></p>
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Precisely the reason I believe we should refuse to hand over our wallets or purses to muggers. Make a stand. Refuse to legitimise an illegal business model. I shouldn't have been walking down that street without backup(s) anyway...<br>
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(I don't know who I'm taking the piss out of, but the thread smells way past its use-by minute in any case.)<br>
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cheers,<br>
gja<u></u><u></u></p>
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