<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>I can't accept that Steve. Company directors have social, moral, and legal responsibilities, apart from their duty to shareholders.<br><br></div>To simply say a situation in extremis justifies unethical behaviour I would suggest neglects the bigger picture. The point is, do your due diligence preemptively, and you won't be talking about which morally ambiguous path you want to walk down.<br><br></div><div>Interestingly, government are looking closely at mandatory disclosures for security breaches, and this is a consideration. Also there are mandatory disclosure laws around dispersions, and I wonder how it will look as "Sundry Security Item" on the annual accounts.<br></div><div><br></div>Kind regards<br><br></div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 September 2016 at 23:01, Skeeve Stevens <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Paul,<div><br></div><div>This is such an ignorant thing to say and only said by someone who obviously has their own bias as a priority as opposed to the best thing for the company. Running a company isn't about you, but the best thing for it. Get over yourself.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><span class=""><div><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br>...Skeeve</div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8000001907349px"><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Email: </span><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank">skeeve@<wbr>eintellegonetworks.com</a><span style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px"> ; Web: </span><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" style="font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank">eintellegonetworks.com</a></div><div><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Cell <a href="tel:%2B61%20%280%29414%20753%20383" value="+61414753383" target="_blank">+61 (0)414 753 383</a> ; S<a>kype: skeeve ; </a>LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; <wbr>Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank">Profile</a> ; Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/<wbr>skeeve</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div class="h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Paul Wilkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Obviously it would be deplorable for anyone in a position of authority (eg. company directors) to countenance making payments to extortionists. Cyber extortion is a business, and if through the company's and the directors incompetence they have become exposed, they should suck it up. I'm appalled anyone would actually consider allowing their company's reputation to be drawn within the gravity of a criminal business model. And we won't advise our customers of the breach, no, we'll just quietly keep our heads down and not admit we've exposed customer data to criminal enterprise.<br><br></div>Kind regards<br><br></div>Paul Wilkins<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 23 September 2016 at 10:18, James Warne <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jwarne@vigilant.it" target="_blank">jwarne@vigilant.it</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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