<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 14px; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><div>Saw the same here with Commendico in the early days of ADSL.</div><div><br></div><span id="OLK_SRC_BODY_SECTION"><div style="font-family:Calibri; font-size:11pt; text-align:left; color:black; BORDER-BOTTOM: medium none; BORDER-LEFT: medium none; PADDING-BOTTOM: 0in; PADDING-LEFT: 0in; PADDING-RIGHT: 0in; BORDER-TOP: #b5c4df 1pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: medium none; PADDING-TOP: 3pt"><span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span> AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Davey Goode <<a href="mailto:davey@vibecommunications.co.nz">davey@vibecommunications.co.nz</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span> Tuesday, 20 September 2016 10:44 AM<br><span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span> Tony Wicks <<a href="mailto:tony@wicks.co.nz">tony@wicks.co.nz</a>>, 'Robert Hudson' <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>, "<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>" <<a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a>><br><span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span> Re: [AusNOG] Complexity is not an excuse for an industry-wide cop-out (was Re: Conroy quit.)<br></div><div><br></div><div xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40"><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"><meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)"><style><!--
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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--><div lang="EN-NZ" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Also to add to that, a few providers like the one mentioned before is also bundling power with it, so they are actually
making more money from the power than the ISP side, but has caused race to the bottom for the rest of the ISP industry.<o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></span></p><span style="mso-bookmark:_MailEndCompose"></span><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Tony Wicks<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 20 September 2016 12:39 PM<br><b>To:</b> 'Robert Hudson' <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>; <a href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Complexity is not an excuse for an industry-wide cop-out (was Re: Conroy quit.)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">On 19 September 2016 at 19:59, Jared Brown <<a href="mailto:ausftth@mail.com" target="_blank">ausftth@mail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><p class="MsoNormal"><br>
Excluding overseas bandwidth, is there some reason New Zealand can't have good broadband for $55 per month? Several north European countries with similar land and population sizes seem to manage.<o:p></o:p></p></blockquote><div><p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">European countries that are neither surrounded by vast oceans nor half a world away from major global population centres...<o:p></o:p></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Actually the fixed cost of the copper or fibre last mile is the biggest portion of the cost by far (i.e</span> $<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">41.19/month
for basic dsl) <a href="http://www.comcom.govt.nz/the-commission/media-centre/media-releases/detail/2015/commission-releases-final-decision-on-wholesale-broadband-prices">http://www.comcom.govt.nz/the-commission/media-centre/media-releases/detail/2015/commission-releases-final-decision-on-wholesale-broadband-prices</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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