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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Clay, what App or resources are you accessing or providing?
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">As someone mentioned, if terminal services, you can use VMware’s PCOIP for delivery over UDP, this overcomes the TCP inefficiencies but you need a lot of bandwidth capacity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Depending on your budget there are some solutions to address the poor user experience, poor throughput and lack of control over the internet.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">There are some technologies which run some races over diverse paths and will map across the internet, then choose the best path based on performance, packet loss etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">There is also wan optimisation such that if you do lose a packet, the packet will be rebuilt based upon additional parity bits (Forward Error Correction).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Additionally, the traffic can be delivered over the internet using UDP instead of TCP, which overcomes the TCP performance problems.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">The 3 solutions combined will make a massive difference for performance.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Riverbed has some of this and uses Sure Route from Akamai Technologies.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Akamai has all 3 capabilities built into IP Accelerator which does FEC, Sure Route, delivery over UDP, TCP optimisatation, you access their network in the source and destination countries
and rely upon their global platform for delivery (so any loss is retransmitted locally at each end as a full proxy, DSA and their web acceleration products.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Cisco also has something along these lines.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">There are also solutions from Silver Peak and Citrix which provide FEC, but rely upon BGP.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">Some telco’s are going to be offering this as a premium service based on Akamai’s technology.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">So depending on your app and your budget, there are a number of ways to address this without digging up the earth of deploying your own super expensive private link for part of the connectivity.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">J/<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">From: </span>
</b><span style="font-family:Calibri;color:black">Clay Quinn <cquinn@mrv.com><br>
<b>Date: </b>Tuesday, September 13, 2016 at 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To: </b>Kim Pearce <kim.pearce@gmail.com>, "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br>
<b>Subject: </b>Re: [AusNOG] Best roundtrip latency to Israel?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU">I knew I could depend on AusNOG to explore every option - thanks :)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU">A colleague of mine suggested to VPN to a point half-way along the alternate direction (eg India) and see if the connection would be routed through Europe from there. Could reduce the latency significantly, worth
a shot. Will let you know if I succeed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU">Also some others suggested to tweak the TCP settings, which I will also look into – again, thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU">Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoPlainText"><span lang="EN-AU">Clay<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Calibri"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Kim Pearce<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 13 September 2016 2:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Best roundtrip latency to Israel?</span><span lang="EN-AU"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">And if you drill, it is a 20,000km round trip - ~(10,000km along the chord from SYD to TLV)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-AU">On Tue, Sep 13, 2016 at 2:00 PM, Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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In message <<a href="mailto:AM5PR0301MB24814072C2675F44C808F43AD2FE0@AM5PR0301MB2481.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com">AM5PR0301MB24814072C2675F44C808F43AD2FE0@AM5PR0301MB2481.eurprd03.prod.outlook.com</a>>, Clay Quinn writes:<br>
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> Hi All,<br>
><br>
> An oddball question - is anyone using services over Internet to Israel<br>
> (VPN etc), and if so what is your round-trip latency? From a Telstra TID<br>
> connection I'm getting around 400ms (Sydney, LA, New York, UK, France,<br>
> Israel). I'm curious if there's a less-latent path on another<br>
> provider/route (RDP sessions are painfully slow).<br>
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SYD to TLV is 8813 great circle miles (14183km). This gives a lower<br>
bound on a terrestrial path unless you start drilling.<br>
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> Using 30,000km as an estimate for the fibre distance, that gives a<br>
> theoretical minimum latency of 300ms (0.5us/km * 30,000km * both<br>
> directions). So there's an additional 100ms of overhead there (OEO<br>
> conversions probably - 30 hops in traceroute).<br>
><br>
> If that's par for the course, I guess WAN acceleration is really the only<br>
> option - I understand it's a pretty long path. If anyone has any unique<br>
> solutions to this problem I'd love to hear it.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Cheers<br>
> Clay<br>
><br>
> Clay Quinn<br>
> Presales Engineer<br>
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