<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi Skeeve,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How do you justify that a University does not need to be compliant?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Many enterprise vendors don't support the requirements for data retention out of the box! I've already had to put some feature requests in for the ability to get the information we require... this means in-house software development and/or off the shelf packages (multiple), support agreements and staff/vendor resources to implement. This adds up super quick!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,</div><div class="">Tristan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 5 Sep 2016, at 11:33 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" class="">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">All,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The list: <a href="https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf" target="_blank" class="">https://www.ag.gov.au/<wbr class="">NationalSecurity/<wbr class="">DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-<wbr class="">recipients.pdf</a><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and got.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of themselves for how much they asked for.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up their business.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you need anything?<br class=""><br class=""><div class="">If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k applicants and no one getting much at all.</div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT are people buying with it?"</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive allocations.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list, but all mostly realistic.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship of these resources.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Bring on the flames.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">---</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Going through the list (Never heard of many of them):</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Ace</b> - 294k - You are a small regional ISP... 294k?! C'mon, you need to justify it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Amaysim</b> - 69k - You are a big phone reseller - is this all you need? #respect</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">APN</b> - 373k - Now Activ8me? Regional ISP. You need to justify it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Bluenet</b> - Aren't you just a VISP off RealWorld? 30k for what? (See below)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Broadband Solutions</b>. Guys, Why 2.2million. You <b class="">REALLY</b> need to justify that. Exetel, BigAir, M2, Vocus are all way less. Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">BT</b> - 4 applications? Really? Total $376k+ - Justify it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">CipherTel</b> - Regional and Remote WA. 439k... Justify it.</div><div class=""><b class=""><br class=""></b></div><div class="">- <b class="">Cirrus Communications</b> - 18k. Your network is massive. Is that all you really need? If so.. #respect</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Cloud Comm</b> - Who are you? 236k</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Comscentre</b> - 840k... C'mon really? Justify it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Connectivity IT</b> - 244k. Please Justify it Tom.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">CountryTell</b> - 180k. Curious... seems a lot for a regional ISP. Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Curtin University</b> - 368k... I don't understand.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Easyweb Digital</b> - 404k. For what? Your website doesn't even say ISP, and WiFi doesn't count. Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Firenet</b> - 169k - I think you are going to need to explain this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">First Focus</b> - 153k - But it doesn't even look like you are an ISP? Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Frontier Networks</b> - 301k - It doesn't look like you'd need this much.. Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">GoPC</b> - 150k. Graeme? I don't get it. You will need to explain this. As far as I know, you are not an ISP.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Griffith Uni</b> - 719k. Another Uni... </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Interactive Gateway</b> - Who? You look like an integrator, not an ISP. Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">- IP Voice & Data / Vonex</b> - 290k. You are mostly voice. Does it really cost this much to log call data which you should already do?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">M2</b> - 1.6M - OK you are huge, but aren't you part of Vocus now? Surely you can use the same systems</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">- Macquarie Telecom</b> - A lot less than I would have expected from someone of your size. #respect</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Message4U</b> - 1.2m - Ok, so you do a lot of texts... but so what? Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">MikeIT / OpusV</b> - 106k - You don't seem to be an ISP. Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Mobilizer</b> - 89k. Total bullshit. Anyone who has ever met Damon knows this is a crock.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">- MyNetfone</b> - 3m. You guys are massive in voice. But 3 million?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Novatel</b> - 698k - Baby ISP with 1 or 2 routers... Does not justify this much. Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Origin Net </b>- 249k - Seems excessive.. please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Pivotel</b> - 336k - You do Satellite services? That is a lot. Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Professional Data Kinetics</b> - 352k. You're based in Wagga doing NBN. This is a lot. Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Radcomp / ITAUS / ITNQ</b> - 472k. Who? Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">RCOM / RNAS</b>. 316k. Who are you? Please explain</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Real World</b> - 787k/912k. Really Andrew? 2 piles of cash? You couldn't use the same technology? It is a hell of a lot of money for a network like yours in comparison to many people out there. 1.7 million dollars. Almost as much as Vocus. More than BigAir, 3 x Macquarie and <b class="">MORE</b> than TPG. You need to seriously explain yourself here.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">RMIT</b> - 680k. Uni again</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">SIS Group</b> - 191k. Luke? Seems like a lot. Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Spirit Telecom</b> - 187k. Seems like a lot. Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Tecala</b> - 316k. Who are you? Please explain.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Comverge</b> - 227k+78k. You are mostly wholesale/Layer2/builders. Why? Please explain. Why 2 applications?<br class=""><br class=""><b class="">- Telstra</b> - 40m. OK, You are massive. But given who you are, don't you already log most things required by the Drip? 40m seems like a lot of money, even for you.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">The Summit Group</b>. 1M. Greg, you are going to have to explain this.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Vibe</b> - 364k. Big links I know... but 364k</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">Uniscope</b> - Who? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">- Uniti - </b>Who?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">More Universities</b>... UTas 12k? Wow.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><b class="">- Vodafone </b>- 28m. 28 million for what? You already log the hell out of everything - that is your job. Even Optus only asked for 14m.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">VostroNet</b> - 221k. Never heard of them.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- <b class="">YourFibre</b> - 147k. They don't even have a web presence I can find.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class="">...Skeeve</div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="font-size:12.8px" class=""><div class=""><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:calibri" class="">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</b><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px" class=""> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div class=""><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:calibri" class="">Email: </span><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank" class="">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px" class=""> ; Web: </span><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank" class="">eintellegonetworks.com</a></div><div class=""><div style="font-family: calibri; font-size: 13px; margin: 0px;" class="">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; S<a class="">kype: skeeve ; </a>LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank" class="">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank" class="">Profile</a> ; Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank" class="">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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