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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">FFS, are we seriously going to have all
      these discussions all over again? We covered universities, and
      services, and who would be eligible and why, way back when the
      DRIPS were first requested. Some Universities clearly think they
      provide services that need a DRIP, some clearly don't. There's no
      particular reason why a University would be exempt, if they
      provide eligible services.<br>
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      The bigger question is - why in all the seven hells does anyone
      think they have the right, the knowledge, and the legal insight to
      question whether anyone deserves or doesn't deserve anything, when
      ultimately it comes down to an internal legal opinion (*not*
      technical opinion) for every organisation as to what an
      organisation has to do to cover themselves from liability.<br>
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      Seriously list - unless you are actually a lawyer, qualified to
      give opinion, and expert on every word in the relevent
      legislation, AND you know all about the internals of each
      orghanisation including their internal legal advice on which they
      relied to prepare and submit a DRIP - Shut the frigging hell up
      and lets talk something operational.<br>
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      On 6/09/2016 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">Yes. I've been talking to one Uni that didn't
        apply. They are confused why the others applied as well.
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        <div>I think serious questions need to be asked as to why the
          universities think they are entitled or even eligible to apply
          - and who approved them.</div>
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        <div>Question. If the result of funding is public, why aren't
          the applications that funding?  Everyone else has to publicly
          disclose what they do in relation to most government funding,
          so why not this?</div>
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                                    style="font-size:13px;font-family:Calibri">Skeeve
                                    Stevens - Founder & The
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                                    eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Chad
          Kelly <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" target="_blank">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>></span>
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            .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On
            9/6/2016 12:00 PM, <a moz-do-not-send="true"
              href="mailto:ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net"
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              I was just having a little look at some of the data.<br>
              50% of the total pool went to three recipients.<br>
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              The bottom 163 (>90%) recipients between them received
              20% of the pool.<br>
              10% of the pool was divided between 137 (76%) of
              recipients.<br>
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              Without mentioning names, I raised an eyebrow to see that
              there were<br>
              exactly two, identical value grants ($265,600 each) to two
              entities with<br>
              remarkably similar names.<br>
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            This is not unusual, many businesses run several companies
            Micron21 as an example got around $50000 in grant funding
            split over two separate companies.<br>
            The one I don't understand at all is all the Universities
            that got funding, mostly because as I understood the
            legislation the emails that were allocated to staff and
            students would all be classed as the inner circle, or
            whatever it was called.<br>
            In other words it would be classed as internal usage,
            universities are not selling internet access to students.<br>
            The only one I could understand getting funding as an ISP in
            the education space would be the actual ISPs that provide
            the carrier networks for the Universities such as Aarnet
            being the main one.<span class="HOEnZb"><font
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                -- <br>
                Chad Kelly<br>
                Manager<br>
                CPK Web Services<br>
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