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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Most email clients offer a ignore
thread and ignore subthread option.<br>
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Perhaps people disgruntled by this discussion should consider
using that.<br>
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On 9/6/2016 02:53 PM, Kristoffer Sheather @ CloudCentral wrote:<br>
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<div>What we do need is a way to opt out of particular threads
though to save us listening to inane rubbish.
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<div><span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,sans-serif;
font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: "Matt Smee"
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:m.smee@unsw.edu.au"><m.smee@unsw.edu.au></a><br>
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 3:49 PM<br>
<b>To</b>: <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">"ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"</a>
<a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"><ausnog@lists.ausnog.net></a><br>
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations
Email</span>
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agree. We should be complacent on our industry
colleagues rorting public funding. We shouldn’t
question ethics and morals – just keep it to
ourselves. Accept it. </sarcasm></span></p>
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have no right to tell people that they ‘can’t discuss
the topic unless they’re lawyers’ any more than we do
to protest or question what people do with the
funding. After all, it’s not solely a discussion on
legality.</span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Paul Brooks<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 September 2016 3:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry
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<p class="MsoNormal">FFS, are we seriously going to have
all these discussions all over again? We covered
universities, and services, and who would be eligible
and why, way back when the DRIPS were first requested.
Some Universities clearly think they provide services
that need a DRIP, some clearly don't. There's no
particular reason why a University would be exempt, if
they provide eligible services.<br>
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The bigger question is - why in all the seven hells
does anyone think they have the right, the knowledge,
and the legal insight to question whether anyone
deserves or doesn't deserve anything, when ultimately
it comes down to an internal legal opinion (*not*
technical opinion) for every organisation as to what
an organisation has to do to cover themselves from
liability.<br>
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Seriously list - unless you are actually a lawyer,
qualified to give opinion, and expert on every word in
the relevent legislation, AND you know all about the
internals of each orghanisation including their
internal legal advice on which they relied to prepare
and submit a DRIP - Shut the frigging hell up and lets
talk something operational.<br>
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On 6/09/2016 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. I've been talking to one Uni
that didn't apply. They are confused why the others
applied as well.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think serious questions need
to be asked as to why the universities think they
are entitled or even eligible to apply - and who
approved them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Question. If the result of
funding is public, why aren't the applications
that funding? Everyone else has to publicly
disclose what they do in relation to most
government funding, so why not this?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
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Stevens - Founder
& The Architect</span></b><span
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eintellego Networks Pty
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+61 (0)414 753 383 ;
Skype: skeeve
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM,
Chad Kelly <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" target="_blank">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/6/2016 12:00 PM, <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">
ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net</a> wrote:</p>
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style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I was just having
a little look at some of the data.<br>
50% of the total pool went to three
recipients.<br>
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The bottom 163 (>90%) recipients between
them received 20% of the pool.<br>
10% of the pool was divided between 137 (76%)
of recipients.<br>
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Without mentioning names, I raised an eyebrow
to see that there were<br>
exactly two, identical value grants ($265,600
each) to two entities with<br>
remarkably similar names.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not unusual, many
businesses run several companies Micron21 as an
example got around $50000 in grant funding split
over two separate companies.<br>
The one I don't understand at all is all the
Universities that got funding, mostly because as
I understood the legislation the emails that
were allocated to staff and students would all
be classed as the inner circle, or whatever it
was called.<br>
In other words it would be classed as internal
usage, universities are not selling internet
access to students.<br>
The only one I could understand getting funding
as an ISP in the education space would be the
actual ISPs that provide the carrier networks
for the Universities such as Aarnet being the
main one.<br>
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<span class="hoenzb">Chad Kelly</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">Manager</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">CPK Web Services</span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">web <a
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target="_blank">www.cpkws.com.au</a></span><br>
<span class="hoenzb">phone 03 9013 4853</span><br>
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