<span style="font-family: Arial, Helvetica, Sans-Serif; font-size: 12px"><div>What we do need is a way to opt out of particular threads though to save us listening to inane rubbish.
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<div><span style="font-family: tahoma,arial,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><b>From</b>: "Matt Smee" <m.smee@unsw.edu.au><br />
<b>Sent</b>: Tuesday, September 6, 2016 3:49 PM<br />
<b>To</b>: "ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br />
<b>Subject</b>: Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I agree. We should be complacent on our industry colleagues rorting public funding. We shouldn’t question ethics and morals – just keep it to ourselves. Accept it. </sarcasm></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You have no right to tell people that they ‘can’t discuss the topic unless they’re lawyers’ any more than we do to protest or question what people do with the funding. After all, it’s not solely a discussion on legality.</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul Brooks<br />
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 September 2016 3:31 PM<br />
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">FFS, are we seriously going to have all these discussions all over again? We covered universities, and services, and who would be eligible and why, way back when the DRIPS were first requested. Some Universities clearly think they provide services that need a DRIP, some clearly don't. There's no particular reason why a University would be exempt, if they provide eligible services.<br />
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The bigger question is - why in all the seven hells does anyone think they have the right, the knowledge, and the legal insight to question whether anyone deserves or doesn't deserve anything, when ultimately it comes down to an internal legal opinion (*not* technical opinion) for every organisation as to what an organisation has to do to cover themselves from liability.<br />
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Seriously list - unless you are actually a lawyer, qualified to give opinion, and expert on every word in the relevent legislation, AND you know all about the internals of each orghanisation including their internal legal advice on which they relied to prepare and submit a DRIP - Shut the frigging hell up and lets talk something operational.<br />
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On 6/09/2016 3:02 PM, Skeeve Stevens wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yes. I've been talking to one Uni that didn't apply. They are confused why the others applied as well.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think serious questions need to be asked as to why the universities think they are entitled or even eligible to apply - and who approved them.</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Question. If the result of funding is public, why aren't the applications that funding? Everyone else has to publicly disclose what they do in relation to most government funding, so why not this?</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:45 PM, Chad Kelly <<a href="mailto:chad@cpkws.com.au" target="_blank">chad@cpkws.com.au</a>> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 9/6/2016 12:00 PM, <a href="mailto:ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"> ausnog-request@lists.ausnog.net</a> wrote:</p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">I was just having a little look at some of the data.<br />
50% of the total pool went to three recipients.<br />
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The bottom 163 (>90%) recipients between them received 20% of the pool.<br />
10% of the pool was divided between 137 (76%) of recipients.<br />
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Without mentioning names, I raised an eyebrow to see that there were<br />
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is not unusual, many businesses run several companies Micron21 as an example got around $50000 in grant funding split over two separate companies.<br />
The one I don't understand at all is all the Universities that got funding, mostly because as I understood the legislation the emails that were allocated to staff and students would all be classed as the inner circle, or whatever it was called.<br />
In other words it would be classed as internal usage, universities are not selling internet access to students.<br />
The only one I could understand getting funding as an ISP in the education space would be the actual ISPs that provide the carrier networks for the Universities such as Aarnet being the main one.<br />
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