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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>My 2c:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Disappointed, but not surprised. *Witness to much bending over with hand outstretched.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Despite the outpouring of concern about rights of Australians during the drafting of the bill, the industry has caved in and the people leading the industry are as hypocritical as those in other industries.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Anyone of Telstra, Optus and TPG have spent far more defending and paying fines around dubious advertising and business practices than challenging the Government’s right to make this law. Recent examples:<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Singtel Optus Pty Ltd v ACCC [2012] FCAFC 20 ($3.6M)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>ACCC v TPG Internet Pty Ltd [2013] HCA 54 (~$2M)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>ACCC v Telstra Corporation Limited [2010] FCA 790 (~$18M)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:36.0pt'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>ACCC v iiNet 2015 ($0.2M)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Days of free and open internet wounded by greed and apathy from industry leaders. Using Australian vernacular: they never really supported our rights to privacy or they are a bunch of weak pricks. Possibly both.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>PS: I did not apply for a grant. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'>Rod<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 6 September 2016 7:52 AM<br><b>To:</b> Skeeve Stevens <skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com><br><b>Cc:</b> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net> <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Aus Industry Congratulations Email<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Just over $128m for 180 recipients, or an average or over $700k per recipient. A number of the lower-end figures wouldn't purchase a decent SME NAS with disks in it...<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On 5 September 2016 at 23:33, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com" target="_blank">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm'><div><p class=MsoNormal>All,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The list: <a href="https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf</a><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and got.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of themselves for how much they asked for.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up their business.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you need anything?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k applicants and no one getting much at all.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT are people buying with it?"<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive allocations.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list, but all mostly realistic.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship of these resources.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Bring on the flames.<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></body></html>