<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I believe the Universities provide residential Internet to students who live on campus. Depending on how they bill it, I guess would make some ISPs and others not.<br><br>Regards,<div><br></div><div>Tim Raphael</div></div><div><br>On 5 Sep 2016, at 9:33 PM, Skeeve Stevens <<a href="mailto:skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com">skeeve+ausnog@eintellegonetworks.com</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">All,<div><br></div><div>The list: <a href="https://www.ag.gov.au/NationalSecurity/DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-recipients.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.ag.gov.au/<wbr>NationalSecurity/<wbr>DataRetention/Documents/DRIGP-<wbr>recipients.pdf</a><div><br></div><div>I am absolutely stunned by this list and how much people asked for - and got.</div><div><br></div><div>Sure, there are people who needed the money to comply, but I think a lot of people are taking advantage of the system and should be ashamed of themselves for how much they asked for.<br></div><div><br></div><div>Yes, the government did a shit job, but this is community money - needed for us to comply with a stupid law. Not a slush fund for people to build up their business.<br><div><br></div><div>Universities - I don't understand. System Integrators - bullshit. VoIP providers, you are are already logging call details - why do most of you need anything?<br><br><div>If everyone IT integrator in the country claimed, we'd have over 2k-3k applicants and no one getting much at all.</div></div><div><br></div><div>I think a lot of people are buying new networking equipment with these funds. I am not sure the fund was designed to build the networks of ISPs.</div><div><br></div><div>Some of the massive requests are astounding and begs the question "WHAT are people buying with it?"</div><div><br></div><div>I think the AG make all the applications public since they've made the result public. We need context to some of these extremely excessive allocations.</div><div><br></div><div>There is no jealousy here. There is a dozen of my customers on the list, but all mostly realistic.</div><div><br></div><div>Those that say we should just move on have no respect for the stewardship of these resources.</div><div><br></div><div>Bring on the flames.<br></div><div><br></div><div>---</div><div><br></div><div>Going through the list (Never heard of many of them):</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Ace</b> - 294k - You are a small regional ISP... 294k?! C'mon, you need to justify it.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Amaysim</b> - 69k - You are a big phone reseller - is this all you need? #respect</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>APN</b> - 373k - Now Activ8me? Regional ISP. You need to justify it.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Bluenet</b> - Aren't you just a VISP off RealWorld? 30k for what? (See below)</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Broadband Solutions</b>. Guys, Why 2.2million. You <b>REALLY</b> need to justify that. Exetel, BigAir, M2, Vocus are all way less. Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>BT</b> - 4 applications? Really? Total $376k+ - Justify it.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>CipherTel</b> - Regional and Remote WA. 439k... Justify it.</div><div><b><br></b></div><div>- <b>Cirrus Communications</b> - 18k. Your network is massive. Is that all you really need? If so.. #respect</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Cloud Comm</b> - Who are you? 236k</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Comscentre</b> - 840k... C'mon really? Justify it.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Connectivity IT</b> - 244k. Please Justify it Tom.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>CountryTell</b> - 180k. Curious... seems a lot for a regional ISP. Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Curtin University</b> - 368k... I don't understand.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Easyweb Digital</b> - 404k. For what? Your website doesn't even say ISP, and WiFi doesn't count. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Firenet</b> - 169k - I think you are going to need to explain this.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>First Focus</b> - 153k - But it doesn't even look like you are an ISP? Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Frontier Networks</b> - 301k - It doesn't look like you'd need this much.. Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>GoPC</b> - 150k. Graeme? I don't get it. You will need to explain this. As far as I know, you are not an ISP.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Griffith Uni</b> - 719k. Another Uni... </div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Interactive Gateway</b> - Who? You look like an integrator, not an ISP. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div><b>- IP Voice & Data / Vonex</b> - 290k. You are mostly voice. Does it really cost this much to log call data which you should already do?</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>M2</b> - 1.6M - OK you are huge, but aren't you part of Vocus now? Surely you can use the same systems</div><div><br></div><div><b>- Macquarie Telecom</b> - A lot less than I would have expected from someone of your size. #respect</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Message4U</b> - 1.2m - Ok, so you do a lot of texts... but so what? Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>MikeIT / OpusV</b> - 106k - You don't seem to be an ISP. Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Mobilizer</b> - 89k. Total bullshit. Anyone who has ever met Damon knows this is a crock.</div><div><br></div><div><b>- MyNetfone</b> - 3m. You guys are massive in voice. But 3 million?</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Novatel</b> - 698k - Baby ISP with 1 or 2 routers... Does not justify this much. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Origin Net </b>- 249k - Seems excessive.. please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Pivotel</b> - 336k - You do Satellite services? That is a lot. Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Professional Data Kinetics</b> - 352k. You're based in Wagga doing NBN. This is a lot. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Radcomp / ITAUS / ITNQ</b> - 472k. Who? Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>RCOM / RNAS</b>. 316k. Who are you? Please explain</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Real World</b> - 787k/912k. Really Andrew? 2 piles of cash? You couldn't use the same technology? It is a hell of a lot of money for a network like yours in comparison to many people out there. 1.7 million dollars. Almost as much as Vocus. More than BigAir, 3 x Macquarie and <b>MORE</b> than TPG. You need to seriously explain yourself here.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>RMIT</b> - 680k. Uni again</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>SIS Group</b> - 191k. Luke? Seems like a lot. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Spirit Telecom</b> - 187k. Seems like a lot. Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Tecala</b> - 316k. Who are you? Please explain.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Comverge</b> - 227k+78k. You are mostly wholesale/Layer2/builders. Why? Please explain. Why 2 applications?<br><br><b>- Telstra</b> - 40m. OK, You are massive. But given who you are, don't you already log most things required by the Drip? 40m seems like a lot of money, even for you.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>The Summit Group</b>. 1M. Greg, you are going to have to explain this.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Vibe</b> - 364k. Big links I know... but 364k</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>Uniscope</b> - Who? </div><div><br></div><div><b>- Uniti - </b>Who?</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>More Universities</b>... UTas 12k? Wow.</div><div><br></div><div><b>- Vodafone </b>- 28m. 28 million for what? You already log the hell out of everything - that is your job. Even Optus only asked for 14m.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>VostroNet</b> - 221k. Never heard of them.</div><div><br></div><div>- <b>YourFibre</b> - 147k. They don't even have a web presence I can find.</div><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br>...Skeeve</div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><br></div><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div><b style="font-size:13px;font-family:calibri">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</b><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px"> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span></div><div><span style="font-size:13px;font-family:calibri">Email: </span><a href="mailto:skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com" style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank">skeeve@eintellegonetworks.com</a><span style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px"> ; Web: </span><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" style="font-family:calibri;font-size:13px" target="_blank">eintellegonetworks.com</a></div><div><p style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:calibri;font-size:13px;margin:0px">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; S<a>kype: skeeve ; </a>LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank">Profile</a> ; Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a></p></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
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