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My personal suggestion would be b), use your current termination
router and server, send info as you need to off to the proxy, the
proxy talks to the billing system after translating the options you
need and replies back to the mikrotik with the values its expecting.
So essentially its still authing /terminating with MAC but a server
in the middle translates over to Circuit ID for the billing system.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 24/08/16 10:51, Philip Loenneker
wrote:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Your
comment makes me wonder if I misunderstood – is the
suggestion to:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Have
a new FreeRADIUS server as a DHCP server pointing to the
existing FreeRADIUS server for AAA, or<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"
style="text-indent:-18.0pt;mso-list:l1 level1 lfo2"><!--[if !supportLists]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><span
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</span></span></span><!--[endif]--><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Use
the Mikrotik DHCP server as we used to, but point it to a
middleman FreeRADIUS server which proxies and rewrites the
request to the existing FreeRADIUS instance so that the
Circuit-ID is the username<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">That
second option sounds nice from the point of view that it
would be doing a single task and not need any additional
maintenance… and our techs are already familiar with
Mikrotik management including DHCP leases…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:windowtext"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joseph Goldman<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 August 2016 10:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] DHCP server suitable for
NBN<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">This was my
thought, i've seen instances where a RADIUS 'proxy' is handy
to do these kind of re-writes and other things. Should be very
easy and simple (but a shout-out to Radiator, non-free though
but very flexible and scriptable)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24/08/16 10:39, Damien Gardner Jnr
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What about putting your own FreeRadius
server in front of the vendor one, and pop together some
quick functions to re-map the circuit ID into the username
before passing the query on to the vendor FreeRadius? :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 August 2016 at 10:35, Philip
Loenneker <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au"
target="_blank">Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hi
Craig,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I
have looked at that option, but because
FreeRADIUS is integrated with our customer
management product, the vendor would have to
implement that change. I asked them about it,
and they said it is not a priority because they
see it as an edge case, not a common feature
their customers are after.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Philip Loenneker | Network
Engineer</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#ED7D31"
lang="EN-US"> | TasmaNet</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray"
lang="EN-US">40-50 Innovation Drive, Dowsing
Point, Tas 7010, Australia</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray"
lang="EN-US">P: 03 6165 2542 | M: 0404 097 816</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">philip.loenneker@tasmanet.com.au</span></a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><u><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#ED7D31"><a
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [mailto:<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Askings<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 24 August 2016 10:31
AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net"
target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] DHCP server
suitable for NBN</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I've
not tried it in that particular configuration,
but Freeradius can act directly as a DHCP
server.<o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On
24 Aug 2016, at 9:53 AM, Philip
Loenneker <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au"
target="_blank">Philip.Loenneker@tasmanet.com.au</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi
all,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">We
have used a couple of different
DHCP servers for NBN IPoE sessions
over the last few years, all
talking to a RADIUS back end to
look up the static IP address
information based on circuit-ID
(AVC). Initially we used a
Mikrotik router, but with a change
in RADIUS server we need the DHCP
server to use the circuit-ID as
the AAA username, and the Mikrotik
only uses the MAC address. I found
that the DHCP server in our Cisco
ASR could send the circuit-ID as
the AAA username, but it has a
“feature” where AAA-based DHCP
sessions have a maximum life
(defined by Cisco AVPair
session-duration, which has to
exist and can’t be zero) after
which the DHCP lease is forced to
be released and has to be renewed
from scratch. This causes a brief
outage to the service while they
have no IP address, and causes
some of our clients to failover to
an alternate connection. After a
chat with Cisco, I was told that
it was by design and would not be
changed or allowed to be
overridden.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Our
RADIUS server is FreeRADIUS, but
it’s integrated with a customer
management system, and it doesn’t
allow us to use DEFAULT as the
username and pick up the
circuit-ID as an additional check.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Does
anyone have any suggestions of a
DHCP server that leverages RADIUS
and can use circuit-ID as the AAA
username, but is otherwise
standard and allows unlimited
renewals?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"
style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US">Regards,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"
lang="EN-US">Philip Loenneker |
Network Engineer</span></b><b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#ED7D31"
lang="EN-US"> | TasmaNet</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:gray"
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Drive, Dowsing Point, Tas 7010,
Australia</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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