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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathanael Bettridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Daniel'; 'ausnog@lists.ausnog.net'<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">While we wait:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="https://istheabscensusonlineyet.com/">https://istheabscensusonlineyet.com/</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The relevant minister (Michael McCormack) has released a statement blaming DDoS in combination with a router hardware failure:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“There was a large scale denial of service attempt to the census website and online form. A denial of service is an attempt to block
people from accessing a website. Following, and because of this, there was a hardware failure,” he said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“A router became overloaded. After this, what is known as a false positive occurred. This is essentially a false alarm in some of
the system monitoring information. As a result the ABS employed a cautious strategy which was to shut down the online census form to ensure the integrity of the data already submitted was protected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“I will be clear from the outset, this was not an attack. Nor was it a hack but rather, it was an attempt to frustrate the collection
of bureau of statistics census data. ABS census security was not compromised. I repeat, not compromised and no data was lost.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><a href="http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/census-2016-website-crashes-under-weight-of-demand/news-story/1febee892e1ab043c0e7682c7a3485a4">http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/census-2016-website-crashes-under-weight-of-demand/news-story/1febee892e1ab043c0e7682c7a3485a4</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nathanael Bettridge' <<a href="mailto:nathanael@prodigy.com.au">nathanael@prodigy.com.au</a>>; 'Robert Hudson' <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>; 'Michael Keating' <<a href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I noticed last night before the system crashed completely the following error:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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“status -1 code 101”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I don’t know much about .jsp, but it appears that this was an issue with the header?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Is it possible that this was a layer 7 attack that was being implemented?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#222222;background:white">A<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>status code</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>101</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>indicates
that the server is changing to the protocol it defines in the "Upgrade" header it returns to the client. For example, when requesting a page, a browser might receive a statis<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>code</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>101</b>,
followed by an "Upgrade" header showing that the server is changing to a different version of HTTP.</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Andy Taylor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">0424 656 973<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><a href="http://www.coastalaudio.com.au/"><span style="color:#0563C1">www.coastalaudio.com.au</span></a>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathanael Bettridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Robert Hudson' <<a href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>; 'Michael Keating' <<a href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> 'ausnog@lists.ausnog.net' <<a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The validity of the data is suspect. Users in bad moods submitting info that would otherwise be trustworthy, partially completed
surveys, I’m sure thousands of households that will now fall through the gaps, the spreading out of census data over a much longer than normal time frame – as a statistical snapshot the Census is effectively ruined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Keating <<a href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Why is it safe to say that the stored data is OK? What evidence do we have to support that belief?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 Aug 2016 9:52 AM, "Michael Keating" <<a href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the point being made, was that the distrust of the Census has been increased with the failure of the website, and the mainstream media taking the 'hacking' angle. It's safe to say the stored data is ok, but there are millions more
submissions to go. If people think it was 'hacked', they won't give a truthful answer for fear of their information being stolen (which we know, it won't). More of a general observation than a technical observation (which I do agree with).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:26 AM, Mark Andrews <<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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In message <<a href="mailto:c7617127-36a9-f5dc-894e-727a6700e016@spectrum.com.au" target="_blank">c7617127-36a9-f5dc-894e-727a6700e016@spectrum.com.au</a>>, Matt Perkins writes:<br>
> If you ask me the dataset is now terminally compromised. This is<br>
> essentially market research and peoples ability to answer that sort of<br>
> stuff truthfully goes to how much the person doing the servery is<br>
> trusted. With the ABS spouting stuff like Attack from overseas, people<br>
> are very unlikely to tell the truth on this census.<br>
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> Fellas you blew it. Cancel the census reschedule for next year and send<br>
> out paper form's Your collective uselessness just put us back 5 years.<br>
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> Matt<br>
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A DoS attack does not make the dataset compromised.<br>
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Having too small key space does. 1/100000 is not a big space for<br>
computers to search through. It's only ~20 bits of security. A<br>
extra 4 digits would have raised it to ~30 bits. A extra 8 digits<br>
would have raised it to ~43 bits. Entering 5 x 4 digit sequences<br>
is not hard. We do 4 x 4 + 3 for every visa / mastercard transaction<br>
we do online today.<br>
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Mark<br>
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Mark Andrews, ISC<br>
1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia<br>
PHONE: <a href="tel:%2B61%202%209871%204742" target="_blank">+61 2 9871 4742</a> INTERNET:
<a href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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