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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">First rule of politics when you find
yourself in a hole. Stop digging. <br>
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Matt<br>
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On 10/08/2016 12:01 PM, Nathanael Bettridge wrote:<br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Daniel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 11:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
relevant minister (Michael McCormack) has released a
statement blaming DDoS in combination with a router
hardware failure:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“There
was a large scale denial of service attempt to the census
website and online form. A denial of service is an attempt
to block people from accessing a website. Following, and
because of this, there was a hardware failure,” he said.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“A
router became overloaded. After this, what is known as a
false positive occurred. This is essentially a false alarm
in some of the system monitoring information. As a result
the ABS employed a cautious strategy which was to shut
down the online census form to ensure the integrity of the
data already submitted was protected.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">“I
will be clear from the outset, this was not an attack. Nor
was it a hack but rather, it was an attempt to frustrate
the collection of bureau of statistics census data. ABS
census security was not compromised. I repeat, not
compromised and no data was lost.”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andy Taylor<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:57 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Nathanael Bettridge' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:nathanael@prodigy.com.au">nathanael@prodigy.com.au</a>>;
'Robert Hudson' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>;
'Michael Keating' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I noticed last night before the system
crashed completely the following error:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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“status -1 code 101”<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I don’t know much about .jsp, but it appears
that this was an issue with the header?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Is it possible that this was a layer 7 attack
that was being implemented?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">A<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>status code</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>101</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>indicates that the
server is changing to the protocol it defines in the
"Upgrade" header it returns to the client. For example,
when requesting a page, a browser might receive a statis<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>code</b><span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span>of<span
class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>101</b>,
followed by an "Upgrade" header showing that the server is
changing to a different version of HTTP.</span><span
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lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
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Taylor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Director<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">0424
656 973<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Nathanael Bettridge<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> 'Robert Hudson' <<a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:hudrob@gmail.com">hudrob@gmail.com</a>>;
'Michael Keating' <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> '<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a>' <<a
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The
validity of the data is suspect. Users in bad moods
submitting info that would otherwise be trustworthy,
partially completed surveys, I’m sure thousands of
households that will now fall through the gaps, the
spreading out of census data over a much longer than
normal time frame – as a statistical snapshot the Census
is effectively ruined.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert Hudson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 10 August 2016 10:44 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael Keating <<a
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href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] census issues tonight<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p>Why is it safe to say that the stored data is OK? What
evidence do we have to support that belief?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10 Aug 2016 9:52 AM, "Michael
Keating" <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mkeating44@gmail.com">mkeating44@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think the point being made,
was that the distrust of the Census has been
increased with the failure of the website, and the
mainstream media taking the 'hacking' angle. It's
safe to say the stored data is ok, but there are
millions more submissions to go. If people think
it was 'hacked', they won't give a truthful answer
for fear of their information being stolen (which
we know, it won't). More of a general observation
than a technical observation (which I do agree
with).<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 9:26
AM, Mark Andrews <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:marka@isc.org" target="_blank">marka@isc.org</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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In message <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:c7617127-36a9-f5dc-894e-727a6700e016@spectrum.com.au"
target="_blank">c7617127-36a9-f5dc-894e-727a6700e016@spectrum.com.au</a>>,
Matt Perkins writes:<br>
> If you ask me the dataset is now
terminally compromised. This is<br>
> essentially market research and peoples
ability to answer that sort of<br>
> stuff truthfully goes to how much the
person doing the servery is<br>
> trusted. With the ABS spouting stuff like
Attack from overseas, people<br>
> are very unlikely to tell the truth on
this census.<br>
><br>
> Fellas you blew it. Cancel the census
reschedule for next year and send<br>
> out paper form's Your collective
uselessness just put us back 5 years.<br>
><br>
> Matt<br>
<br>
A DoS attack does not make the dataset
compromised.<br>
<br>
Having too small key space does. 1/100000 is
not a big space for<br>
computers to search through. It's only ~20
bits of security. A<br>
extra 4 digits would have raised it to ~30
bits. A extra 8 digits<br>
would have raised it to ~43 bits. Entering 5
x 4 digit sequences<br>
is not hard. We do 4 x 4 + 3 for every visa /
mastercard transaction<br>
we do online today.<br>
<br>
Mark<br>
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Australia<br>
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