<div dir="ltr">Don't bet on the PR blurb.<div><br></div><div>IBM isn't responding to anyone. the gummint won't say anything cogent. the talking points are clearly to say this is not an attack. If not, WTF is it?</div><div><br></div><div>S.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 7:04 PM, Alan Maher <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:alanmaher@gmail.com" target="_blank">alanmaher@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
  
    
  
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    <p>I am familiar with this. IBM stands for "I've Been Moved". In
      fact, I have almost forgotten the number of IBM reunions that I
      have seen.</p>
    <p>Ultimately, the cause will be investigated, sanitised, and
      eventually released as a PR Blurb. This par for any Govt. around
      the globe.</p>
    <p>Why do I not seem surprised? Seen it all before, more than once.<br>
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    <div>On 10/08/2016 8:33 p.m., Simon Sharwood
      wrote:<br>
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      <div dir="ltr">FWIW I know several IBMers recently made redundant.
        They say that anyone on decent money and with a couple of
        decades experience has been let go to save on wages. The folks
        left behind are bright, but inexperienced. Which may be why the
        mitigations discussed above weren't employed.
        <div><br>
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        <div>The thing that will be interesting in the washup is whether
          the ABS/McGibbon ever admit this was hostile action.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>McGibbon is currently saying DDOSes are not any form of
          attack, just a blocking action. I think a truckies blockade is
          a better example. Or perhaps a zombie truckie blockade.</div>
        <div><br>
        </div>
        <div>One last thing: ever security vendor capable of spelling
          DDOS is contacting media today saying they can explain this
          crisis away and keep you all out of the headlines. </div>
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        <div>S.</div>
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        <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:49 PM, J
          Williams <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jphwilliams@gmail.com" target="_blank">jphwilliams@gmail.com</a>></span>
          wrote:<br>
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            <div dir="ltr">In hindsight, they could have blocked
              international access via their upstream providers. This
              would have avoided almost all issues whilst still reaching
              almost all of the audience.
              <div><br>
              </div>
              <div>Regards,</div>
              <div>Julian</div>
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                <div class="gmail_extra"><br>
                  <div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 4:11
                    PM, Paul Wilkins <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:paulwilkins369@gmail.com" target="_blank">paulwilkins369@gmail.com</a>></span>
                    wrote:<br>
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                        <div>
                          <div>
                            <div>Well here's the thing. Supposedly the
                              Census site had capacity to serve say 10M
                              Australian clients.<br>
                              <br>
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                            So if your architecture has its ducks in a
                            row, you have a dedicated resource pool(s)
                            for Australian IPs. Now someone has to come
                            up with a botnet with > 10M Australian
                            based IPs. <br>
                            <br>
                            Any overseas botnet will just disable access
                            for the stragglers resource pool, either
                            overseas or on VPNs.<br>
                            <br>
                          </div>
                          <div>Get the architecture right, and the
                            operations takes care of itself.<br>
                          </div>
                          <div><br>
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                          Kind regards<span><font color="#888888"><br>
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                        <span><font color="#888888">Paul Wilkins<br>
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                            <div class="gmail_quote">On 10 August 2016
                              at 16:03, Mark Delany <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:g2x@juliet.emu.st" target="_blank">g2x@juliet.emu.st</a>></span>
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                                  Mark,<br>
                                  > If your point is that if an
                                  attacker can flood a server with
                                  traffic, the<br>
                                  > DOS will succeed, then we agree.<br>
                                  <br>
                                </span>There are plenty of other
                                resources to exhaust besides traffic<br>
                                capacity, but ok.<br>
                                <span><br>
                                  > The point is to ensure that your
                                  attacker has an upper limit to
                                  resources<br>
                                  > available to them on the server.
                                  This is much harder to achieve with
                                  HTTPS,<br>
                                  > where you can't successfully
                                  create a session with a spoofed IP.<br>
                                  <br>
                                </span>True. But bots don't need to
                                spoof IPs. Nor recipients of IMG<br>
                                tags. What makes you think the so-called
                                DOS was based on spoofed IPs<br>
                                anyway? I don't think I made any mention
                                of it.<br>
                                <br>
                                Point being, excepting the very largest
                                destinations, it's not that<br>
                                hard to acquire more bot capacity than
                                your target's server capacity.<br>
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                                    Mark.<br>
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