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<div>The original plan called for the nbn to have only a few POI
for each state. Then someone in the government pointed out that
devaluing Telstra a company that has heavy investment not only
by super funds but baby boomers was politically and financially
not a good move. So we had 100+ poi and growing. Conveniently
quite a few are co-located in Telstra facilities. <br>
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If you think that was the original plan, I might have a bridge to
sell you. The original original plan had contemplations of every ESA
having to be a POI, to fit the original NBN mandate, which was to
fix the lack of competitive tension in local-loop on a wide scale,
without overbuilding business models or network that was already
competitive.<br>
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Up to the initial POI announcement, many in the industry with some
knowledge of the matter expected POIs to number in the thousands -
and everybody else was just guessing. This 'original plan' of which
you speak was wishful thinking on behalf of the collection of
wholesale-DSL-using ISPs, hoping that they could retain all their
capital-city WDSL interconnects and just jumper across to the NBN
PoI location with little incremental network cost. Having the number
of POIs at less than 200, and with a reasonable method of
determining where they were, was actually better for ISPs than it
could have been.<br>
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Yes, the location of most of them inside Telstra exchange buildings
was disappointing, as this requires each access seeker to jump
through the hoops with Telstra for exchange access as well as with
NBN for PoI access. You can probably blame Telstra/Govt negotiations
around duct facilities access for that one.<br>
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Paul.<br>
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On 25 Jun 2016, at 11:27 AM, Paul Wilkins <<a
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<div>This was the only use case for a National Broadband
Network that ever made economic sense - building
national infrastructure for wholesale backhaul, so that
Cairns backhaul connectivity should be no more expensive
than Sydney or Melbourne CBD. Sadly, we have instead
both Labor and the Libs arguing over who gets to build a
monopoly for the consumer final mile. Cart before horse.<br>
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<div>It's 1500km from Cairns to Brisbane. I very much
doubt a 1500km Dark fiber run would be $700 a month
even in NZ.<br>
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Matt
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On 24/06/2016 11:17 AM, Tony Wicks wrote:<br>
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Dark Fibre (single strand Site A –
exchange – Site B) would cost $700/mth in
NZ, my how the worm has turned….. </span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"
lang="EN-US"> AusNOG [<a
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Radek Tkaczyk<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 June 2016 1:04
PM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] 10/10Mbps
service in Cairns</span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">At
$3.5k for a 10/10Mbps service,
Telstra Wholesale have to be
dreaming...</span></p>
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