<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto"><div>I'm pretty sure we argued both. Aggregation + PoI. But we were expecting that in a normal world it would have been considerably cheaper getting it from a local PoI than state aggregation PoI. Also allowed local companies to get local access for community.</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br></div><div id="AppleMailSignature">This way if you had backhaul you had an advantage/business, if not you had a fallback. Def said if there is not competition NBN should backhaul. It was 7-8 years ago now :)</div><div id="AppleMailSignature"><br>[b]</div><div><br>On 26 Jun 2016, at 8:12 PM, Bradley Amm <<a href="mailto:Bradley.Amm@telethonkids.org.au">Bradley.Amm@telethonkids.org.au</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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but baby boomers was politically and financially not a good move. So we had 100+ poi and growing. Conveniently quite a few are co-located in Telstra facilities”<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Didn’t NextGen, Optus, Telstra and PIPE, AAPT say that it would leave their networks stranded out in the middle of nowhere.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">The original plan called for the nbn to have only a few POI for each state. Then someone in the government pointed out that devaluing Telstra a company that has heavy investment not only by super funds but baby boomers was politically and
financially not a good move. So we had 100+ poi and growing. Conveniently quite a few are co-located in Telstra facilities. <o:p></o:p></p>
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than Sydney or Melbourne CBD. Sadly, we have instead both Labor and the Libs arguing over who gets to build a monopoly for the consumer final mile. Cart before horse.<o:p></o:p></p>
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