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<p class="MsoNormal">"My opinion is that Ausnog...."<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Where-as the charter disagrees with you, insomuch as what you want to post is against the charter.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">So instead of gathering consensus and getting the charter changed, you try and subvert the charter by posting, repeatedly, against
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">You then wonder why people complain and lament about how the list does not align with your own world view of how the list "should
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<p class="MsoNormal">"Grow up people. Respect each other, and also new members that come along that might not have the experience and wisdom of our years - or this list and community will die out under the weight of its own bullshit."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 24 June 2016 10:54<br>
<b>To:</b> Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Open Mic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My opinion is that Ausnog is a community and far more than a tech/noc list. Some of us have been in the industry for 20+ years and known each other professionally and personally for a lot longer. This is where we meet and is as much a
social connection as it is an operator list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">If there is ANY thread or topic you don't like or care about, just ignore the bloody thing. Given how many mailing lists most of us are on, I find it beyond belief that some of you whinge about off-topic content here because if you did
it everywhere you would spend your entire life doing so... and don't you have better things to do?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We're a community for f*&k sake. Start acting like one. We help each other when things go wrong, and should be celebrating our wins and care about the industry as a whole, not small crap.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We don't all have to agree with everything, but if someone posts off-list, unless you are a moderator, shut up. If they see it as important, they should deal with it - also off-list - rather than trying to publicly shame people.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Grow up people. Respect each other, and also new members that come along that might not have the experience and wisdom of our years - or this list and community will die out under the weight of its own bullshit.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Skeeve Stevens - Founder & The Architect</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> - eintellego Networks Pty Ltd</span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Web: </span><span style="font-size:9.5pt"><a href="http://eintellegonetworks.com/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">eintellegonetworks.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Cell +61 (0)414 753 383 ; Skype: skeeve ; LinkedIn: <a href="http://linkedin.com/in/skeeve" target="_blank">/in/skeeve</a> ; Expert360: <a href="https://expert360.com/profile/d54a9" target="_blank">Profile</a> ;
Keybase: <a href="https://keybase.io/skeeve" target="_blank">https://keybase.io/skeeve</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Jun 24, 2016 at 10:56 AM, Damien Gardner Jnr <<a href="mailto:rendrag@rendrag.net" target="_blank">rendrag@rendrag.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">How about we put those off-topic things on whirlpool where they more likely belong? ;)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe I've mis-understood AusNOG's purpose all these years, but I consider it to be for requesting urgent assistance with replacement spare parts, group notification/collaboration of large outages, and last-resort contact with the NOC's
at other providers. When an email comes in here I look pretty much straight away to see if it's service-affecting. Having all this OT stuff coming through is *VERY* distracting, and unwelcome to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Can we please get back to on-topic things now? :)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 24 June 2016 at 10:45, Rhys Cuff (Latrobe I.T) <<a href="mailto:rhys@latrobeit.com.au" target="_blank">rhys@latrobeit.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On a few lists I’m part of they reserve Friday morning to basically say whatever thoughts you want (respectfully) and sell whatever you have related to the industry.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Could always have the ole “off topic” in the subject line for those who are uninterested.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">P.S I have nothing to sell and try to have very little thoughts :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Thanks<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="color:#888888">Damien Gardner Jnr<br>
VK2TDG. Dip EE. GradIEAust<br>
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