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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I wonder how long before the AG’s office realizes v6 can let them track usage of individual devices (for the data retention stuff),
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matthew Moyle-Croft<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 27 May 2016 2:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Michael J. Carmody<br>
<b>Cc:</b> AusNOG Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] IPv6 excuses<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Good work. At the very least turning it on moves things forward. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Telstra have got dual stack for their residential NBN connections - so that’s a step forward.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’m now living in the USA and both my mobile phone (Verizon in my case) and intert lnet (Comcast) are dual stacked.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 May 2016, at 9:11 PM, Michael J. Carmody <<a href="mailto:michael@opusv.com.au">michael@opusv.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">As an engineer who just turned on dual-stack for a local residential ISP, we did it “just because”, and to be a good netizen, and for plain old curiousity.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Aside from a few tens of hours of engineering for build, test and deploy its pretty much cost neutral.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I was more afraid of additional support burden for the ISP, but this turned out to be a non-event (two cases in total of broken CPE just refusing to work with
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Mind you some tangible double digit percentage are just saying “no thanks” during the IPCP session when offered IPv6.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I think about 5% of that customers transit is now native IPv6 since the switch over last month.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net"><span style="color:#954F72">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a>]<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Aftab Siddiqui<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, 27 May 2016 2:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Mark Smith<br>
<b>Cc:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>AusNOG Mailing List<br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [AusNOG] IPv6 excuses</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">ISPs could create that incentive by making a dual IPv4/IPv6 stack<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">[its an NBN 100/40 service] </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:9.5pt">Thank you for your e-mail.<br>
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We regret to inform you that we do not support native IPv6 for residential customers. However we can provide you an explicit 6 to 4 tunneling solution so that allows IPv6 packets to be transmitted over our IPv4 backbone.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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