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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Andrew Khoo<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 20 May 2016 12:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cameron Murray <cameron.murray@gmail.com><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Off Topic - Brisbane recruitment recommendations<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">new Skilled Occupation List for 2016-17 (<a href="https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/SOL">https://www.border.gov.au/Trav/Work/Work/Skills-assessment-and-assessing-authorities/skilled-occupations-lists/SOL</a>)
means "let the abuse of 457s begin!!!"<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:33 AM, Cameron Murray <<a href="mailto:cameron.murray@gmail.com" target="_blank">cameron.murray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That is exactly the thought however as most MSP will know majority of the work is level 1 and 2 mixed together which is why we've always run just a 1 & 2 system.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We are really interested in to see what people expect from a 3 tier system in the MSP environment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 9:21 AM, Matt Smee <<a href="mailto:m.smee@unsw.edu.au" target="_blank">m.smee@unsw.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I can see the 1-2 model being applicable for many small-medium organisations, but as they grow and the red tape becomes longer there's an almost inevitable generic 'call
centre/helpdesk' that's slipped under it, acting as the new "level 1". <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Perhaps an easy solution is to relabel your existing levels (for potential employees) by saying:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">when describing the roles?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 17 May 2016 9:05:28 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Off Topic - Brisbane recruitment recommendations</span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Currently we run a Level 1 & Level 2 model which match the industry Level 2 & 3 somewhat so demonstrating these to potential employees is confusing and frustrating at times.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Reference: <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_support#Multi-tiered_technical_support" target="_blank">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_support#Multi-tiered_technical_support</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">Or relocate to where companies require talent over COTS tools. Which as has been the theme to my career progression over the last 3 years.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Exactly, DevOps is a different slant on the modern “infrastructure as code” idea when compared to “NetOps”. Although a new and hardly used term, NetOps is probably the best description of the specialised knowledge that comes with networks
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<p class="MsoNormal">I’ve almost concluded that if you want a career in this space, at the moment, it’ll be up to you to find a niche position that suits your skill set.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Unless you’re working with a big enough content provider (e.g.: Googles’ “Network Systems Engineer” positions mentioned as AusNOG), people are probably hiring this as “DevOps” with all the pain that comes along with a buzzword title.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Forget it if you’re looking to be in the architecture/design/leadership side of this (and even more if you’re based in WA).<o:p></o:p></p>
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