<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Oh yes, if you are searching for a job based on the tools, then you are doing it the wrong way, for sure!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Tim</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 16 May 2016, at 11:15 AM, Thomas Cuthbert <<a href="mailto:tcuthbert90@gmail.com" class="">tcuthbert90@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex" class="gmail_quote"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;display:inline"></div><span style="font-size:12.8px" class="">I’ve almost concluded that if you want a career in this space, at the moment, it’ll be up to you to find a niche position that suits your skill set.</span></blockquote><div class=""> <span style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif" class=""></span></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">Or relocate to where companies require talent over COTS tools. Which as has been the theme to my career progression over the last 3 years.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all" class=""><div class=""><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><pre class=""><br class="">Regards,<br class=""><br class="">Thomas Cuthbert</pre></div></div></div></div></div>
<br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 16, 2016 at 9:38 AM, Tim Raphael <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:raphael.timothy@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">raphael.timothy@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class="">Exactly, DevOps is a different slant on the modern “infrastructure as code” idea when compared to “NetOps”. Although a new and hardly used term, NetOps is probably the best description of the specialised knowledge that comes with networks and automating them. There are plenty of people talking about NetOps but few job adverts asking for it. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’ve almost concluded that if you want a career in this space, at the moment, it’ll be up to you to find a niche position that suits your skill set.</div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">- Tim</div><br class=""></font></span><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div class="">On 16 May 2016, at 9:34 AM, Will Dowling <<a href="mailto:will@autodeist.com" target="_blank" class="">will@autodeist.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class=""></div></div><div class=""><div class=""><div class="h5"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Although this appears to have gone off on a tangent, to bring it back to Cameron's original question: Where is the best place to get a consensus on the state of the industry with regard to this particular skill set?<br class=""></blockquote><br class=""></div><div class="">+1 from someone who considers himself someone with this skill set and is confused by the market :(</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless you’re working with a big enough content provider (e.g.: Googles’ “Network Systems Engineer” positions mentioned as AusNOG), people are probably hiring this as “DevOps” with all the pain that comes along with a buzzword title.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">NoOps is the latest one, though I haven’t seen any jobs in AU for this yet - but is probably more targeted towards consumers of networks than anyone on this list.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Otherwise (and more often than not) it sounds like personal connections are still king for this space.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Forget it if you’re looking to be in the architecture/design/leadership side of this (and even more if you’re based in WA).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Happy to be proven wrong :) </div><div class="">
<div style="letter-spacing:normal;text-align:start;text-indent:0px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;word-wrap:break-word" class=""><br class=""><br class="">Will Dowling<br class=""><br class="">E: <a href="mailto:will@autodeist.com" target="_blank" class="">will@autodeist.com</a></div>
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