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Radek,
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<div class="">On 4 May 2016, at 6:53 PM, Radek Tkaczyk <<a href="mailto:r_tkaczyk@hotmail.com" class="">r_tkaczyk@hotmail.com</a>> wrote:</div>
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Thanks everyone for responding - confirms my thoughts and I'm not going insane :)
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Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra wholesale EA fibre shaping<br class="">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">Hi Radek,</span><br class="">
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<span style="font-size: 12pt;" class="">If you're handing off to the Customer as PPPoE, then setup policies on your LNS and apply with RADIUS attributes. That way, shaping is applied on your core on the way in (Customer Download) and will save the "Picket Fencing"
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>From the customer back to your core (Customer Upload), you'll need to do some sort of shaping and queuing either on a device you control or on the customers CPE. <br class="">
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We've seen so many people try and fail to do this on their CPE that we now just put a device between the carrier NTU and customer CPE so that we can hand off knowing that the service will work and we will not get phone calls and cause un-needed end user frustration.<br class="">
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There are some pretty good docs on the TW portal in regards to how they "Colour" their buckets of CIR:PIR so that you can create your policies in the same way.<br class="">
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The other thing you have to do is get a device of all makes, models, shapes and sizes and write a crapload of docs and then have enough know how on how each one moves and shakes to be able to provide support on it. Again, increased load on your helpdesk for
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<div style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">No different to NBN mate, RSP has to do the shaping, NBN don’t, it’s pretty much the same with most MEF products
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<b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:09 PM<br class="">
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Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra wholesale EA fibre shaping<br class="">
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With Telstra Wholesale EA Fibre circuits we have always had to do the shaping on these services because Telstra would simply drop non-confirming packets that burst over the purchased bandwidth. This is typically not a problem as we would usually supply a Cisco
router and just apply the shaping on the Cisco router.<br class="">
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However sometimes the customer wants to use their own router/firewall and connect this directly to the OS904 Fibre NTU that Telstra supply, so they have to do the shaping on their router, and a lot of people struggle to get this right.<br class="">
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I have been told that on Telstra retail services, for example the 50/50Mbps fibre $850 promo that Telstra retail offer, that the end users do not need to perform shaping on their equipment, that Telstra retail does the shaping for them.<br class="">
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Can anyone confirm if this is indeed correct? Seems strange that it is different for Telstra wholesale compared to Telstra retail.<br class="">
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Or have I had my head in the clouds for too long?<br class="">
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