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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-AU link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>No different to NBN mate, RSP has to do the shaping, NBN don’t, it’s pretty much the same with most MEF products I think.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Regards<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span lang=EN-US style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> AusNOG [mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Radek Tkaczyk<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 3 May 2016 10:09 PM<br><b>To:</b> Greg Lipschitz<br><b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net; Radek Tkaczyk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] Telstra wholesale EA fibre shaping<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Yep we have looked at that, but it's another device in the chain and another point of potential failure, and increases the overall cost.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I was just curious why we were forced to do the shaping in wholesale land, but it appears that in retail land Telstra does it for the customers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Is this just another example of Telstra screwing it's wholesale base?<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Thanks<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div id=AppleMailSignature><p class=MsoNormal>Radek<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>On 3 May 2016, at 9:45 PM, Greg Lipschitz <<a href="mailto:Greg@thesummitgroup.com.au">Greg@thesummitgroup.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The TW EA service is a TW only product.<br><br>EA is not offered via retail. It is a different product offered by Telstra Retail.<br><br>Why not use your own device as a bridge to do your shaping between the Telstra OS904 and Customer CPE?<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>Greg<br><br>________________________________________<br>From: AusNOG <<a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>> on behalf of Radek Tkaczyk <<a href="mailto:r_tkaczyk@hotmail.com">r_tkaczyk@hotmail.com</a>><br>Sent: 03 May 2016 21:07:34<br>To: <a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>Subject: [AusNOG] Telstra wholesale EA fibre shaping<br><br>Hi Guys,<br><br>With Telstra Wholesale EA Fibre circuits we have always had to do the shaping on these services because Telstra would simply drop non-confirming packets that burst over the purchased bandwidth. This is typically not a problem as we would usually supply a Cisco router and just apply the shaping on the Cisco router.<br><br>However sometimes the customer wants to use their own router/firewall and connect this directly to the OS904 Fibre NTU that Telstra supply, so they have to do the shaping on their router, and a lot of people struggle to get this right.<br><br>I have been told that on Telstra retail services, for example the 50/50Mbps fibre $850 promo that Telstra retail offer, that the end users do not need to perform shaping on their equipment, that Telstra retail does the shaping for them.<br><br>Can anyone confirm if this is indeed correct? Seems strange that it is different for Telstra wholesale compared to Telstra retail.<br><br>Or have I had my head in the clouds for too long?<br><br>How are other people handling this shaping requirement?<br><br>Thanks<br>Radek<br><br>Sent from my iPhone<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='background:white;border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><table class=MsoNormalTable border=0 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=0 style='border-collapse:collapse'><tr><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#000001'>Greg Lipschitz<o:p></o:p></span></b></p></td><td valign=top style='padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm'><p class=MsoNormal><span 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