<div dir="ltr">What you're saying (Greg) matches my experience. Most cable runs in this context are <50m, it's only the riser backbone that can be >100m in 30+ story buildings. <div><br></div><div>Craig makes a few good points. The lack of active equipment does reduce maintenance costs (however the MTTF of even lower-grade managed copper switches is good) and install costs. The economies of scale seem to be where GPON really shines, as well as support CATV/RF for greenfields.</div><div><br></div><div>In short, since we're just wanting IP there are the three approaches that can meet our needs:</div><div> - Direct copper (switches in risers)</div><div> - Direct fibre (switches in risers)</div><div> - GPON (OLT in basement)</div><div><br></div><div>Direct copper seems to beat fibre - it's cheaper, and at these distances we're still upgradeable to 10Gb. Maintenance is about the same.</div><div>I'm waiting for the sales guys to confirm pricing ballparks, but it's looking like direct copper beats GPON based on price. Maintenance with GPON is lower, but perhaps a mute point with an apparently higher equipment cost (read: OLT). It would make sense if the scale was larger, or there was a need for CATV/RF of course.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Ben Thompson</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:red">3</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Play Networks</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br><b>p:</b> 1300 301 946</span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)"><span style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jarrod@3playnetworks.com.au" style="color:blue" target="_blank"><br></a></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:ben.thompson@3play.com.au" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">ben.thompson@3play.com.au</a></span></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended for use by the Addressee only. The confidential nature of the information contained in the email and/or file is not waived, lost or destroyed if it is sent in error to other than the Addressee. Use or dissemination of the information contained in the email and/or files by a recipient other than the Addressee <span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)">may</span> cause commercial damage to both/either the Sender and/or Addressee.If you are not the Addressee of this email/files please immediately contact the Sender and delete this email/files.</span></p></div></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2016 at 16:07, Greg Anderson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ganderson@raywhite.com" target="_blank">ganderson@raywhite.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">This sounds right to me - I am no expert but expect GPON is intended to deliver savings over considerably long distances, with sacrifices to performance (sharing fibre) and increased complexity (use of ONT, OLT, splitters etc). If your solution is within a high rise, distances are likely to be short (<200m?) so I guess the saving on fibre length and diameter is going to be quite minimal versus the extra complexity. I have never seen a bundle of 1-2k fibres going up a riser, maybe there you would see the economies of scale (or just plain lack of options depending on the diameter at the bottom of the building and space in the riser).<div><br></div><div>I expect you would need an NTU of some kind anyway, but couldn't imagine GPON would be particularly effective for ~50-100 endpoints, especially considering the limitations imposed.</div><div><br></div><div>Happy to be corrected on anything I have wrong here (again, not an expert) but I am interested in where this thread goes.</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 20 April 2016 at 15:31, Ben Thompson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ben.thompson@3play.com.au" target="_blank">ben.thompson@3play.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br></span><div><div class="h5"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Really good question, that's an option I had missed.<div><br></div><div>Interestingly, when it comes to deliver 1Gb services in a high-rise context, GPON is proving to be the most expensive (!!), followed by your suggestion of direct-fibre, followed by direct-copper.<br><div><br></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><span><br clear="all"><div><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Ben Thompson</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:red">3</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Play Networks</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br><b>p:</b> <a href="tel:1300%20301%20946" value="+611300301946" target="_blank">1300 301 946</a></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)"><span style="font-size:10pt;color:black"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)"><span style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jarrod@3playnetworks.com.au" style="color:blue" target="_blank"><br></a></span></span></span></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:ben.thompson@3play.com.au" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">ben.thompson@3play.com.au</a></span></span></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></p><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;color:rgb(0,0,0);font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended for use by the Addressee only. The confidential nature of the information contained in the email and/or file is not waived, lost or destroyed if it is sent in error to other than the Addressee. Use or dissemination of the information contained in the email and/or files by a recipient other than the Addressee <span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)">may</span> cause commercial damage to both/either the Sender and/or Addressee.If you are not the Addressee of this email/files please immediately contact the Sender and delete this email/files.</span></p></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">On 20 April 2016 at 14:14, Matthew Moyle-Croft <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mmc@mmc.com.au" target="_blank">mmc@mmc.com.au</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word">Does it _have_ to be GPON? (ie. is the fibre plant architected that way?)<div><br></div><div>For that kind of scale simple point-to-point can be easier and probably cheaper and more flexible - just use normal switches (with a few caveats). I know Cisco at one point sold a Cat4500 for doing this. I’m sure other people are more up on what’s cool with GigE SFP switches these days than me.</div><span><font color="#888888"><div><br></div><div>MMC</div></font></span><div><div><br></div><div><br><div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div><div>On 19 Apr 2016, at 7:31 PM, Ben Thompson <<a href="mailto:ben.thompson@3play.com.au" target="_blank">ben.thompson@3play.com.au</a>> wrote:</div><br></div></div><div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><div>I'm seeking a supplier for small-scale GPON hardware and advice. Looking to provide 1Gb services to facilities with 50 to 1000 endpoints.</div><div><br></div><div>Any recommendations?</div><div><br></div><div><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:12.8px">Ben Thompson</span><br style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="font-size:12.8px"><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif;color:red">3</span></b><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Play Networks</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br><b>p:</b> <a href="tel:1300%20301%20946" value="+611300301946" target="_blank">1300 301 946</a></span><span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)"><span style="font-size:10pt"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)"><span style="color:blue;text-decoration:underline;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:jarrod@3playnetworks.com.au" style="color:blue" target="_blank"><br></a></span></span></span></span></div><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:13px"><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"><a href="mailto:ben.thompson@3play.com.au" style="color:rgb(17,85,204)" target="_blank">ben.thompson@3play.com.au</a></span></span></div><p style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"></p><div style="margin:0cm 0cm 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:'Times New Roman',serif"><span style="font-size:10pt"> </span><span style="font-size:7.5pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended for use by the Addressee only. The confidential nature of the information contained in the email and/or file is not waived, lost or destroyed if it is sent in error to other than the Addressee. Use or dissemination of the information contained in the email and/or files by a recipient other than the Addressee <span style="color:rgb(0,0,139)">may</span> cause commercial damage to both/either the Sender and/or Addressee.If you are not the Addressee of this email/files please immediately contact the Sender and delete this email/files.</span></div></div></div></div></div>
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