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An argument (weak one though if you ask me) could be made, that
wholesale services have ultimately 2 service delivery points, the
end user, and your closest/chosen PoP - this is assuming you want it
to use your bandwidth, your IP's etc. So Telstra have to guarantee
delivery between 2 points, where-as if their only responsibility is
one point to 'the internet', then they could hand-off wherever they
want (given the size of their network), so there is less 'work' and
'maintenance' to the connection.<br>
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That's how I would see it anyway, but yes still a very frustrating
situation to be undercut continuously when fighting for contracts.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/12/15 10:48, Nick Evendor wrote:<br>
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$400 for 400/400 mbps is cheap for AAPT/TPG but AAPT/TPG do not
have a massive fibre foot print like Telstra. The Telstra
wholesale price for backhual plus IP transit at $10 a mbps is
more than double the price than Telstra Business is offering
direct to businesses.<br>
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What is the point of Telstra wholesale when Telstra business has
now undercut everyone.<br>
<br>
Nick<br>
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<hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 10:18:53 +1100<br>
From: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:turbo124@gmail.com">turbo124@gmail.com</a><br>
To: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:bevan@slattery.net.au">bevan@slattery.net.au</a><br>
CC: <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@ausnog.net">ausnog@ausnog.net</a><br>
Subject: Re: [AusNOG] Telstra Business Internet Fibre Better
prices than Telstra Wholesale.. what the ?<br>
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<div dir="ltr">We have a client who went direct with TPG for a
400/400MBit - Unlimited Fibre installed for $400/month.
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<div>The premise has existing fibre supplied by AAPT, but
even still I thought it was incredibly cheap... Perhaps a
sign of things to come?</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On 10 December 2015 at 09:58,
Bevan Slattery <span dir="ltr"><<a
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<div>Yeah. I've seen it with a Not-for-profit I'm
involved with.<span class="ecxHOEnZb"><font
color="#888888"><br>
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On 10 Dec 2015, at 9:55 AM, Cameron Murray <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Unlimited internet transit.
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<div>We have a few customers at the moment
comparing it.</div>
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<div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Thu, Dec 10,
2015 at 8:42 AM, Jared Hirst <span
dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au" target="_blank">jared.hirst@serversaustralia.com.au</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<div class="ecxgmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif;color:#000000;">Hi
Nick,</div>
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style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif;color:#000000;"><br>
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<div class="ecxgmail_default"
style="font-family:trebuchet
ms,sans-serif;color:#000000;">Is the
Unlimited Data Internet Transit, or
just data between the CPE and the
Data Centre?</div>
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<div>On Thu, Dec 10, 2015 at
9:34 AM, Nick Evendor <span
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href="mailto:nickevendor@outlook.com"
target="_blank"><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:nickevendor@outlook.com">nickevendor@outlook.com</a></a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">A
customer of mine
approached me to
price match a quote
for Telstra business
internet fibre
which is very cheap.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">50/50mbps
Telstra
Fibre with internet
access unlimited
data for $850 + gst</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">100/100mbps
Telstra
Fibre with internet
access unlimited
data for $1100 + gst</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">We
resell solutions
from a Telstra
wholesale re seller
and asked them to
match Telstra
business pricing and
they said Telstra
Wholesale was more
expensive before for
the backhaul before
even adding on data
internet usage.</span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;"> </span></p>
<p class="ecxMsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Has
anyone else come
across this it would
seem Telstra is now
very aggressively
providing cheap
fibre internet
services.</span></p>
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<p
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;">Nick</span></p>
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