<p dir="ltr">Do you have documents to support that? I looked into it a
while back for one of my concentration areas and never had that limitation
put in front of me, from nbnco staff or documents I was reading.</p>
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From: "Joseph Goldman" <joe@apcs.com.au><br>
To: "Andrew Kitchen" <a.kitchen@xi.com.au><br>
Cc: "James Mcintosh" <james.mcintosh@rocketmail.com>, "Ausnog"
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Subject: [AusNOG] Pricing for Going Direct To NBN Co (vs Aggregator)<br>
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<p dir="ltr">You don't HAVE to, you can pick and choose. Some have
onboarded to their concentration areas and bought from aggregators for the
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<div dir="ltr">We recently looked at this but the killer is we had to
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<div dir="ltr">There has been discussions some time ago about getting a
group of us together to setup a not for profit like WAIX but those
discussions haven't progressed any further at this stage.</div>
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To: "Ausnog" <ausnog@lists.ausnog.net><br>
Subject: [AusNOG] Pricing for Going Direct To NBN Co (vs Aggregator)<br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2448">Hi Noggers,</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr">As would be the case
with many smaller ISPs on this list we are buying our layer 2 NBN through
an aggregator. For us the cost is the tail price plus a fixed amount of
AGVC.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr">I'm trying to
understand what costs would be involved in going to NBN Co directly. I know
the components are AVC, CVC, backhaul to the POI and the end customer tails
but can anyone point me to what each of
these would cost directly from NBN Co?</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr">I'm assuming since all
ISPs buy at the same rate that this info wouldn't be secret but I seem to
be having a hard time finding it anywhere.</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr">Also hugely useful
would be if someone has done the numbers - at what point (in terms of end
customer numbers) does it make financial sense to go direct in a particular
POI rather than through an aggregator?</div>
<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr"><br>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr">Any pointers would be
much appreciated.</div>
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<div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1449310346031_2446" dir="ltr">-James</div>
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