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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 26/11/2015 11:21 AM, Mark Currie
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Australia really vote for this?” <o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">No…many
Australian’s voted for a $43 billion pipe dream and thought
bubble dreamed up by a couple of idiots wanting to buy
votes, and which would of cost $200+ billion and taken until
2030 or 2040 without putting 100,000 person work force in
place if left to the original plan.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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lang="EN-US">From:</span></b><span
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lang="EN-US"> AusNOG
[<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net">mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Greg
Anderson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 26 November 2015 11:25 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Edwards<br>
<b>Cc:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN’s $800 million Optus
network might need to be rebuilt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">What devices would you need to operate
with electricity on a passive optical network? The distinct
lack of need for any electronic devices in the street is
surely one of it's strong points?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">They could string GPON in the air along
power poles as well, but it is hideous and requires more
maintenance in the long run and it seemed to irk a lot of
people. But it would be cheaper to put in and string <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Seems to me that we are now paying
almost as much for a network that is going to last about
10 years before needing significant upgrades at a higher
ongoing maintenance cost versus a slightly more expensive
but much more reliable, network (with faster and most
importantly more consistent speeds) that is likely to last
30-50 years with upgrades that are likely to be less
significant with lower maintenance costs.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I must just be a fanboi, because I just
don't think I will ever 'get' what we are being given.
Like, even if I WANT fibre, I won't be able to get that
speed because the cherry picking laws are going to prevent
competing companies installing it. It seems in on fell
swoop, the government has said "Nobody gets Fibre."<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">My mind boggles. Did Australia really
vote for this?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 November 2015 at 09:03, John
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<p class="MsoNormal">Australian Cable TV installers in
2013 were paid around $100 to run a drop cable from the
pole to the premises AND install it to the STB in the
lounge room. There's even a Facebook page about how
little they were paid. 10 years ago it was as low as
$45, and they had to supply materials. Compare that to
cost-per-premises run rates for FTTH.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">One of the benefits that isn't well
known about HFC is that it can also provide power to
devices. Current AEMO rules make it difficult to
attempt to run simple devices from AC power in the
street. In a world where Smart City and IOT is a
thing, copper connections may well have a revival as
they are re-used to put battery-less sensors anywhere
and everywhere.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 26 November 2015 at 07:49,
Skeeve Stevens <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class="MsoNormal">But... one of the things I've
always said about HFC... the cost is in getting
from the Pole to the Premises. Everything else
is easily upgradable. So, in hindsight, as NBN
I still would have bought it, just maybe paid a
lot less.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>Those were my thoughts exactly Skeeve.
The Optus HFC network has been in a
disgraceful state for years, and anyone
who's had any involvement with it knew
that.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Great to see that NBN did the appropriate
levels of due dilligence before handing
over so much money...<o:p></o:p></p>
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am, "Skeeve Stevens" <<a
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just asked us... we would have told
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MALCOLM Turnbull and the NBN have
spent $800 million on a network that
almost completely needs to be
rebuilt.<br>
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As part of the Coalition
government’s multi-technology
National Broadband Network, the
government bought Optus’s ageing
hybrid fibre-coaxial (HFC) cable
network, which was originally rolled
out in the 1990s for pay TV, for
$800 million.<br>
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But leaked documents obtained by
Fairfax Mediareveal the government
is planning to replace that $800
million network at a cost of an
extra $375 million.<br>
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The documents claim that the Optus
HFC network is “not fit for purpose”
and nearing the end of its life,
while other parts of it are simply
already oversubscribed and wouldn’t
be able to deliver on the speeds
promised by Mr Turnbull and his
government.<br>
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These new plans would see the Optus
network rebuilt with either
Telstra’s HFC or fibre-to-the-node
technology, which was originally
planned for 38 per cent of the
network. On top of the huge cost
blowout, which is already expected
to be $15 billion over budget, the
NBN will be missing the rollout
targets of 633,000 premises in 2017
and 2018, which will now have to
wait until 2019 at the earliest to
be connected.<br>
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An initial agreement was made
between the NBN and Optus in 2012,
where it was approved by the
Australian Competition and Consumer
Commission under the grounds that
the government could gradually
decommission Optus’s HFC and replace
it with fibre-to-the-premises
broadband connections.<br>
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The existing network needed upgrades
and it was deemed commercially
unviable for Optus to do that work
and maintain it.<br>
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Despite this, the deal was revised
in 2015 the government would keep
Optus’s HFC network in use and make
upgrades where needed for the same
$800 million price tag.<br>
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Opposition communications spokesman
Jason Clare slammed the findings of
the document, saying it showed “more
evidence of the absolute mess that
Malcolm Turnbull has created with
his second-rate NBN”.<br>
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“It reveals that the Optus HFC
network, a key component of Malcolm
Turnbull’s second-rate NBN, is in
far worse condition than Australians
were led to believe and NBN Co is
considering overbuilding the network
— costing hundreds of millions and
meaning hundreds of thousands of
Australians will have to wait longer
to get the NBN,” Mr Clare said.<br>
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Optus said that it always
acknowledged the HFC network needed
major investment to manage
subscriber growth and capacity
demand.<br>
<br>
A statement from NBN Co said the
corporate plan had accounted for the
ebbs and flows of the project.<br>
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“NBN has met or exceeded all targets
over the past 18 months and we
remain confident in our long range
plan and the various strategies we
have in place to manage the risk,”
the statement said.<br>
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“Nearly 1.5 million homes and
businesses can now order an NBN
service and nearly 700,000 are
connected.<br>
<br>
“In order to manage risk NBN
regularly prepares for multiple
scenarios in the network deployment
— the document concerned is part of
that ongoing approach of risk
mitigation.”<br>
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“Our corporate plan has accounted
for the ebbs and flows expected in a
project of this scale.<br>
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“NBN has met or exceeded all targets
over the past 18 months and we
remain confident in our long range
plan and the various strategies we
have in place to manage the risk.<br>
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“Nearly 1.5 million homes and
businesses can now order an nbn
service and nearly 700,000 are
connected. In order to manage risk,
NBN regularly prepares for multiple
scenarios in the network deployment
- the document concerned is part of
that ongoing approach of risk
mitigation.”<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><strong><span
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<strong><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Greg
Anderson</span></strong></span></b><br>
<span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959">Senior
Network Administrator</span> <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#A6A6A6">|</span> <span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959">Ray
White Group</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#595959">T</span></b><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="tel:%2807%29+32312121"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#345E9C;text-decoration:none">(07)
32312121</span></a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.raywhite.com/"
target="_blank"><span
style="color:#345E9C;text-decoration:none"><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.raywhite.com">https://www.raywhite.com</a></span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#7F7F7F">Level
26, 111 Eagle Street, BRISBANE
QLD 4000</span><span
style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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