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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Crazy? Yep - and that might not be the half of it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Unlike FTTP, there appears to be no provision for native (equivalent to Uni-V) voice on FTTB/FTTN (and on the impending HFC) once the
copper back to the exchange is removed.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Anyone have any insight into how this will be achieved? The equivalent of embedded ATAs in the VDSL2 MSAN?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Skeeve Stevens [mailto:skeeve+ausnog@theispguy.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 October 2015 1:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Jonathan Thorpe <jthorpe@Conexim.com.au><br>
<b>Cc:</b> ausnog@lists.ausnog.net<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [AusNOG] NBN Rollout Confusion in Glebe NSW<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Someone just pointed out to me that is is likely going to be FTTB... then VDSL I assume?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Why the hell overbuild a fully functional HFC network? Seems crazy to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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...Skeeve<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Oct 30, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Jonathan Thorpe <<a href="mailto:jthorpe@conexim.com.au" target="_blank">jthorpe@conexim.com.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Skeeve,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Aside from direct information from nbn™ which seems to be hard to come by,
</span><a href="http://www.mynbn.info/" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.mynbn.info/</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> collates most publicly available
information to provide some sense of what activity is happening where.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I’ve noticed a lot of existing developments around Glebe/Ultimo/CBD being classified as “High Value
Builds”, likely in response to TPG’s aggressive push to install FTTB wherever it can.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">nbn’s product roadmap (</span><a href="http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/Integrated-Product-Roadmap.pdf" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">http://www.nbnco.com.au/content/dam/nbnco/documents/Integrated-Product-Roadmap.pdf</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">)
indicates that they don’t have HFC being part of an official product release until Q2 2016, so you will almost certainly be left with FTTN.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It’s starting to look like there’s a lot of overbuilding going on to secure these “high value” buildings
whereas there are areas that are far down the 3 year plan that currently have nothing.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:</span><a href="mailto:ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ausnog-bounces@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Skeeve Stevens<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, 30 October 2015 12:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> </span><a href="mailto:ausnog@lists.ausnog.net" target="_blank"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">ausnog@lists.ausnog.net</span></a><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [AusNOG] NBN Rollout Confusion in Glebe NSW</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I live in a complex in Glebe which big and takes an entire block (over 100 units). We have 3 addresses on 3 sides of the block.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The complex has Telstra Bigpond Cable and it has worked fine for the 2 years we've been here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I've heard from the building manager that NBN is about to be installed... and should be ready in a couple of weeks.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Firstly, the new rollout from NBN says Glebe area is 2018, but also says it is HFC.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I assuming they aren't doing FTTH... the internal cabling costs on that in this place would be insane.... so I assume it is HFC upgrades of some kind? I didn't think that NBNCo
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Also, does anyone know if there is someone I can talk to at NBN about their rollout addressing... as while 2 of our address sides come up in the NBN lookup tool as coming soon,
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